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First off, is the MEC staying the mod as a permanent army?

If so, I'm wondering just how much of the MEC is planned to be edited. The MEC is fiction in itself, so I'm wondering what kind of weapons should the MEC utilize. I guess without a doubt they should use Russian exports, old and new, but are they're any other countries that may export weapons around that area of the globe? If so just how creative can we be with the MEC's arsenal?

Also what would be the story behind the MEC, and their presumebly mutual partnership with China. Is the MEC going to be strong enough to give the U.S and U.K troubles in terms of military? Many questions I was hoping that the community and/or the devs could speculate on.

Maybe at some point the various Arabic nations were united in the name of Islam. They turned on the Infidels of the west, nationalized all of the oil, and refused to export it. To keep the cashflow into their countries they had to sell their oil to someone. Enter: China. China, happy to buy cheep oil that they really need was happy to ally with the Arabic nations and to help defend them against the western world who they also despise. The U.S. and it's allies would not stand for this and invaded both China and the Middle East to regaine their oil supplies.

As for the MEC equipment, I guess to hold this story would have to get their weapons from either Russia, which would be very happy to sell their arms to make money, or from China. Still though, they wouldn't be forced to buy **** old Russian millitary equipment. With their combined recources they could make a hell of an army, one even superior to Russia's. I base this on the fact that their combined GDP's should top 1 trillion dollars which is basically twice what Russia makes, and with not having to pay for things for the public like police and schools this makes it ever easier to make a powerful army. They could easily afford good jets and armored vehicles as well as good equipment for their infantry. The MEC forces would be a true professional army.

well whatever happens, please keep 'Islam' out of the story/definition. there is no real need to state it.

Are but there is for reasons of realism. The Arabic nation states have differences that normally would be irreconciliable but in the name of Islam against the oppressors of the West they can unite and fight

lonelyjew wrote:Maybe at some point the various Arabic nations were united in the name of Islam.

Bwahahaha! That’ll be the day. They may unite in spirit for a brief time but they could never truly be allies. They need a better reason to cooperate. Even then only the oil rich countries would really stick to any agreements. The poor ones like Yemen and Afgahnistan will always break down into tribal factions. They could never contribute anything to the "MEC" except unskilled manpower - and that would probably be more trouble in discipline and corruption that it wouldn't help.

lonelyjew wrote: . To keep the cashflow into their countries they had to sell their oil to someone. Enter: China.

Disagree. The Chinese are also “infidels” who oppress Islam far more vigorously than the West. I can see some level of collaboration but allies? That would never happen - especially if the conflict is based on Islam. If it purely economic then I can see it.

I like the MEC idea but I think it needs to be an oil based economic conflict. religion should stay out of it. I see the MEC as kind of like NATO. After the US and it’s allies invaded Afghanistan, Iraq and soon to be Syria and Iran, the MEC was formed out of the OPEC countries (not all of which are even from the middle east and that opens up Africa and even S. America) as their military wing designed to show the West that they will not be rolled up so easily.

lonelyjew wrote:They could easily afford good jets and armored vehicles as well as good equipment for their infantry. The MEC forces would be a true professional army.

That I can see. In fact Iran has even developed it’s own MBT. I don’t know how good it really is but they’ve done it. Countries like UAE and Oman, even Saudi has been known to buy a lot of French, US and British armored vehicles. The fact is, if you have money, you but the best. The best is not always going to come from Russia. They make reliable arms but you can do better if you got the $$. F-16’s, AMX LAV’s and Challenger tanks are often seen in Middle Eastern militaries. For the most part, only poor third world countries that cannot afford to own and operate technology go Russian.

With all the talent and infrastructure in the Russia I wouldn't be surprised if a nation(s) put some major bank behind some of the design bureaus to get them pumping out some high tech weaponry. It'll probably be cheaper than their Western counterparts and they won't be export models with neutered features. Or there's option for hybrid equipment with a Russian exterior and western interior. Worst case scenario would be such nations acquiring some Russian subs and skval torpedos/underwater rockets. Nothing can out manuever them.

Tacamo wrote:With all the talent and infrastructure in the Russia I wouldn't be surprised if a nation(s) put some major bank behind some of the design bureaus to get them pumping out some high tech weaponry.

You're referring to modern day Russia? The Russia that has electrical brown outs, crumbling roads and a hopelessly outdated rail system. The same Russia that has this:

From NPR Radio, 3/8/01

Nation's Building Blocks Crumbling, Report Says
Traffic is overwhelming decaying roads and bridges, creating a deadly threat
to American motorists and an impediment to economic growth. Three out of
every four school buildings are either aging beyond repair or overstuffed with
students. And the nation's water systems and sewers are seriously
underfunded. Those are some of the dire warnings contained in a new report
from the American Society of Civil Engineers, released Thursday. The study
pinpoints 12 areas where the basic building blocks of society
require replacement or repair. The engineers' group recommends spending
more than $1 trillion over the next five years to launch meaningful remedies.

or this

Russia sets out to tackle "2003 problem"
By Andrei Shukshin
MOSCOW, Sept 13 (Reuters)

Problems of Russia's crumbling industrial base were highlighted last month when a nuclear-powered submarine sank with the loss of all 118 crew on board and a day-long fire gutted Moscow's Ostankino television tower, a national symbol. Putin said at the time the fire was proof of the dangerous condition of the Russian infrastructure. A power shortage last weekend also forced officials to shut down nuclear reactors, including those at a giant, top-secret fuel reprocessing plant whose boss said that only staff discipline prevented a major crisis.


I think it will be a while before we see Russia cranking out anything more advanced than an AK-74 en masse.

If you were a billion dollar investor trying to develop high tech weapons, would you invest in a country that is essentially controlled by the Russian Mafia and epic corruption? My money would go to FN or Northrop Grumman or even the Chinese before I threw it away in Russia.

Russia is out of the game for a long time. Yeah they made some pretty good stuff; they also stole or copied a bunch of stuff from the west. Their intellectuals are leaving and the education system is still mired in Soviet Philosophy.


Centers of Education in Russia: The case for CASEs
by Susan King
Spring 2004

The intellectual sphere still exists,” she said, “but it’s evaporating. I can’t imagine how we will progress if we don’t have our intellectual potential stimulated, if we lose the people who think. We can’t be robots,” she said, referring to the old Soviet system of education. But most of all, she seemed to worry about young intellectuals leaving Russia for greener pastures—for her, the CASEs represent a form of protection against what she termed “the Russian brain drain.”

No idea how I let the mafia/oligarchy corruption pass me. It is the same place where nice appartments are on the market for $70,000 but the real price is $4,000,000 being paid in cash carried in bags. As far as the Chinese go isn't a lot of their domestic production licensed/unlicensed copies of Russian/Western technology?

All this is true about russia, but their new main fighter jet, the MiG 35 is pretty awesome. Some data:

Max Speed (KmPH): 2,450
Ceiling (m): 18,945
Armament: 1 30mm cannon
6,500 payload
12 internal hardpoints

Basically, it's better than the F-16. They still make some tasty kit, they just can't afford to buy a lot of it.

Taffy, fix your sig its HUGE for just text. you just look like a 100% nub with that. If you dont fix it i would think a admin will fix it for u its just stupid.

Tacamo wrote:As far as the Chinese go isn't a lot of their domestic production licensed/unlicensed copies of Russian/Western technology?

Absolutely. But that just means they "own" the technology and have a head start at improving it. They also have a serious education system and crank out world-class engineers and scientists. Plus with their manufacturing techniques and infrastructure, they can build the weapons cheap.

Mabey Oman called for help from the west after the MEC forced them to join there cause.

Oman uses the Challenger 2 and i do not doubt other western tanks are used by arab states.

On the MEC addition side, as the MEC need an APC to compare with the Warrior; BMP, BMD and BTR-60. Or PT-76 swiming tank, AMX-30, Centurion and Merkavas im sure are all used by arabs (But the T-90 is good enough?)

Because of the Scorpion, why dont the MEC get a scout car too, like the Saladin. And because of the MLRS if the MEC needed one they could have the BM-21.

The only Helicopter i would like to see is the Mi-24 Hind D/F, its able to carry a number of troops into battle like an APC and cover them too and is the only none western helicopter i know that slightly compares with the Apache.

Maj.b00bz wrote:Absolutely. But that just means they "own" the technology and have a head start at improving it. They also have a serious education system and crank out world-class engineers and scientists. Plus with their manufacturing techniques and infrastructure, they can build the weapons cheap.

only since the mid 80s or so - every firearm from China before that is PRACTICALLY GUARANTEED to be an unlicensed/illegal knockoff of Russian hardware (the Chinese have hated Russia since IIRC after WW2)

Zantetsuken wrote:only since the mid 80s or so - every firearm from China before that is PRACTICALLY GUARANTEED to be an unlicensed/illegal knockoff of Russian hardware (the Chinese have hated Russia since IIRC after WW2)

Yet china was communist too wernt it?

doesnt mean they were buddy buddy like with Russia, you dont exacltly have to be best friends to manufacture somebody else's goods, especially illegally (not paying royalties, ect)...

The Russians did crank out something better than the AK-74 which is teh AN-94. I asked if this game could be implimented in teh game before for the MEC since they never get anything and it would be a good special forces weapon because of it is limited to special operation forces such as the Spetsnaz due to cost in Russia.

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as08-e.htm

I think in some sense China may purchase oil from the MEC faction. This may help them build an actual navy, which would explain the battle on Wake Island.

On another note what makes the MEC a threat to both the U.S and U.K. What could possibly bring the people of the middle-east to create a grand army capable of competing with the western nations. What sort of inspiration, or power for that matter could do something like that?

Also what would be the basic personallity of the MEC? Are they violent, relentless people that slaughter innocnets and what not? Are they more of a "class act" of sorts, following the rules of war, saving their own when they can. What is the leadership behind the MEC? Is it individual power? Or some kind of council of sorts. Soooooo many questions.

I guess that leaving religion out of the story is a good way to go. I meen, last thing we need are riots all over the middle east and death threats against our DEV's because they wronged Islam.

Only reason I put it into the story was because that's the only way I honestly can see the various middle eastern nations truly uniting. Yes, the countries are different, and yes it would be hard to unite them, but the only thing that could trully do bring them together.

But whatever, it is best not to throw religion into this. I guess all the invasions could cause the war, but I don't think Saudi Arabiaw ould back up it's neigbors. At least not with the royal family still in control, they wouldn't risk losing all their western investments by supporting a anti western war.

As for China, they are against religion in general, but they are also the only real ally that the MEC could get to fight the west. They could be allies in the sense that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Similar to how England and the US allied with Russia in WW2.

What would be cool would be if the North Korean army was added to help China. North Korea, despite it's countries poor economy had a damn good military(they spend more money, percentage wise, then any other country). They even have more special forces soldiers than the US does. Their totalitarian government only adds to making them a proficient army as I'm sure that North Korean soldiers are more than willing to give their lives in the name of their country.

Muslims are just as unlikely to all unite at once as Christians are. There's too many various groups with their own variations, and a lot of them have bad blood, like in Iraq currently, the civil war breaking out between Shi'ites and Sunnis. I think an oil-based storyline is definiately the way to go in regards to MEC, with the central focus being on Iran maybe?

As far as China, I dunno. Seems fairly random and, hell, I wouldn't mind seeing China removed completely and replaced with North Korea. Most of the China-based maps are bummers anyhow Well, actually, forget a 2nd enemy completely. It's too unrealistic and complicated, I'd rather just see it be US/UK/whoever vs MEC. Keep it simple...

Terranova wrote:Also what would be the basic personallity of the MEC? Are they violent, relentless people that slaughter innocnets and what not? Are they more of a "class act" of sorts, following the rules of war, saving their own when they can. What is the leadership behind the MEC? Is it individual power? Or some kind of council of sorts. Soooooo many questions.

As far as I can tell, the MEC are supposed to appear as a legitimate, organized military force, and not just a buncha random insurgents. Therefore, I wouldn't envision them attempting any suicide bombings, kidnappings, or anything else that would be militarily unsound.

00SoldierofFortune00 wrote:The Russians did crank out something better than the AK-74 which is teh AN-94. I asked if this game could be implimented in teh game before for the MEC since they never get anything and it would be a good special forces weapon because of it is limited to special operation forces such as the Spetsnaz due to cost in Russia.

I agree 100% on this. It wouldn't be farfetched for them to have some reserved for Special Forces use, plus it would cut down on the MEC having only AK variations.

Terranova wrote:I think in some sense China may purchase oil from the MEC faction. This may help them build an actual navy, which would explain the battle on Wake Island.

On another note what makes the MEC a threat to both the U.S and U.K. What could possibly bring the people of the middle-east to create a grand army capable of competing with the western nations. What sort of inspiration, or power for that matter could do something like that?

Also what would be the basic personallity of the MEC? Are they violent, relentless people that slaughter innocnets and what not? Are they more of a "class act" of sorts, following the rules of war, saving their own when they can. What is the leadership behind the MEC? Is it individual power? Or some kind of council of sorts. Soooooo many questions.

IN SOME SENSE?!?! The chinese CURRENTLY get a very large amount or thier oil from the middle east, more (percentage wise) than we get from them. They also actually have a very interesting and secret navy, but no one knows anything about it because... well hell, the censored google, you expect em to release military info?

anyways, china would definetely have an interest in protecting the oil assets we would surely bomb the hell out of in a WW3 sceanrio as this.

ok, mec is a threat to US and UK because MEC is israeli six day war part two, essentially. They exist to destroy israel. we are on israels side. hence, BF2 ww3 style scenario erupts.

mec 'character'.? whatever you want it to be. probably more proffesional, but we could add a side twist and add in a 100 percent "terrorist" group that is not so legally funded by the MEC and is fighting for "Allah" (read, MEC). This way we have a legit MEC (something liek the republican guard) and then another completely differnt terrorist group (think insurgents)

Storyline for my version of this war

US and possibly UK cut off all funding for Hamas led Palestine.
Palestine sinks into economic ruin, and terrorism in the region and abroad becomes much worse, multiple bombings daily in israel.
Iran, Syria and maybe Eypgt and others demand western powers reinstate funding.
Western powers refuse
OPEC raises oil prices by , oh lets say, double, for the 'offending' western powers, but not for russia or china.
meanwhile, terrorism and riots by muslims everywhere are still increasing
Western powers demand opec drops prices but they wont budge on palestine
opec refuses
large terrorist attack occurs in either US, UK or Israel, thousands, maybe more, die.
a very credible and tangible link between a terrorist orginization and direct funding from Iran is made
West declares war on Iran. Iraq is used as main base of operations, as well as some of the 'stans.
US is advancing on Tehran when Iran launches missles into Israel, and convinces many arab nations that this is thier fight against israel as well, and thier burden under Islam to destroy israel.
Coups in many arab nations replace leaders with anti semitic extremists with large popular support.
MEC is formed out of many arab nations with the intent to destroy israel, and pushes US back,nearly out of iran, and attacks US and UK bases everywhere.(similar to korean war)
massive MEC campaign to route out 'defectors' and 'unloyals' results in hundreds of thousands being tortured, interned, or killed.
UN condemns MEC actions, but does nothing, as usual.
Maybe some eurpean countries like germany and france join the US in the war.
China uses the opportunity to annex Taiwan (read= many atrocities commited during this).
Western allies destroy major piplines or oil manufacturing plants and cut off a large portion of Chinese oil.
China declares war. NK allies with China and pushes into SK.

So we essentially have the 'allies:
US
UK
Israel
Iraq (which may or may not have broken down into civil war at this point)
Australia (probably)
France (maybe)
Germany (maybe)
South Korea
Japan (maybe, if china or NK sparked it somehow)

vs the axis
*Iran
*Syria
*Eyqpt
*Saudi Arabia
*Palestine
*Pakistan
*Oman
*Yemen
China
North Korea

*=MEC


Good luck world...