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Insurgents and Militia need AK-74's

Posted: 2008-09-22 16:48
by TristanYockell
Well the thread title says it all. I really do keep asking myself why this firearm is not in PR.

Ak-74's are everywhere in warzones that are supplied with eastern bloc weaponry.

This would give the Insurgents and militia a slightly more accurate assault rifle and really would add to the realism aspect as well.

I suggest that the AK-74 should be a more common place kit for the Militia team however as they have better access and funding, afterall they are able to get their hands on T-62's and the like.


This one right here fits the bill. Pre 1975 production models, that are as abundant as hell. Although the orange plastic mags are likely to be encounter more.


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Re: Insurgents and Militia need AK-74's

Posted: 2008-09-22 16:52
by Rudd
the russians are getting it, so I expect it'll have other uses as well https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f135-r ... s-wip.html

Re: Insurgents and Militia need AK-74's

Posted: 2008-09-22 18:06
by the other Steve
good suggestions, i wonder anyway why the better trained and armed militia uses the same crapy Ak as insurgents do.

another thing, a minor detail, but please make a new AK model, its not sharp, the grip is wrong, its just ugly in comparison to the AK101 or any other weapon in the mod.

Re: Insurgents and Militia need AK-74's

Posted: 2008-09-22 18:21
by TristanYockell
the other Steve wrote:good suggestions, i wonder anyway why the better trained and armed militia uses the same crapy Ak as insurgents do.

another thing, a minor detail, but please make a new AK model, its not sharp, the grip is wrong, its just ugly in comparison to the AK101 or any other weapon in the mod.

Agreed 100%, the AK-47 model and texture is total and utter ****, it looks completely wonky, and the forestock/grip dimensions are way off.
The barrel and Gas system look off as well.

PR deserves better, especially for such a common place and iconic firearm.


Anything from the Devs on this??.

Re: Insurgents and Militia need AK-74's

Posted: 2008-09-22 19:09
by FastWinston
i kinda agree on militia getting it, but not the insurgents (i havnet seen a photo of a single AK-74 in Iraq, a few in Afghanistan) but over all, imho the AKM would be more accurate in both cases.

Re: Insurgents and Militia need AK-74's

Posted: 2008-09-22 19:11
by STORM-Mama
Dr2B Rudd wrote:the russians are getting it, so I expect it'll have other uses as well
The Russians are getting the AK-74M. It's not the same thing as the original AK-74 that would be realistic for the militia.

the other Steve wrote:good suggestions, i wonder anyway why the better trained and armed militia uses the same crapy Ak as insurgents do.
The AK-47 is still a more realistic option for the militia. In the kind of militia army that we play as in PR the AK47 would probably still be the main rifle. It's so much easier to get you hands on it than the AK74. Same goes for the ammo (the two rifles uses a different kind of ammo).

Re: Insurgents and Militia need AK-74's

Posted: 2008-09-22 19:17
by CodeRedFox
I really do keep asking myself why this firearm is not in PR.
Funny I keep asking my self when is TristanYockell gonna start working on that AK74?
Agreed 100%, the AK-47 model and texture is total and utter ****, it looks completely wonky, and the forestock/grip dimensions are way off.
Fantastic explanation, utter ****, WOW so wheres your ak model? You know for a comparison.

Next time before posting about how crappy something is you need to realize that this mod gets done by people in there free time. We don't get paid for this. There are allot of things that aren't in the game that should be.

And if you did a little searching, took me 1 minute, you would see that someone has took the initiative and a at least working on a M variant.

And before you say anything, suggestions are welcomed but the way you presented kinda insults the team, maybe go back and rewrite/rethink your comments.

Re: Insurgents and Militia need AK-74's

Posted: 2008-09-22 20:17
by Expendable Grunt
The AKM assault rifle the militia uses is extremely cheap and reliable, which is great for irregular forces that can expect to be cut from supplies at any moment, and chambers the same round as the SKS carbine does. Now, the militia has a lot of money, evedanced by the tanks and other assets it has, but these are all likely items like the AKM -- if you want them, you know where to *drive* to and talk. No paperwork to trace, no phone lines to tap, just simple point to point exchange.

Re: Insurgents and Militia need AK-74's

Posted: 2008-09-22 21:11
by the other Steve
[R-DEV]coderedfox wrote:Funny I keep asking my self when is TristanYockell gonna start working on that AK74?


Fantastic explanation, utter ****, WOW so wheres your ak model? You know for a comparison.

Next time before posting about how crappy something is you need to realize that this mod gets done by people in there free time. We don't get paid for this. There are allot of things that aren't in the game that should be.

And if you did a little searching, took me 1 minute, you would see that someone has took the initiative and a at least working on a M variant.

And before you say anything, suggestions are welcomed but the way you presented kinda insults the team, maybe go back and rewrite/rethink your comments.

i thought the ak47 model was from vanilla..
so we critisice the bf2V crapy model, not the work of the devs. which is awesome in every aspect of this mod.

Re: Insurgents and Militia need AK-74's

Posted: 2008-09-22 21:35
by Eddie Baker
Militia maybe, but insurgents, no. Most AK client states in the ME never made the 5.45mm switch and continue to produce 7.62x39mm ammunition and AK-47/AKM rifles.

Re: Insurgents and Militia need AK-74's

Posted: 2008-09-22 21:45
by Jonathan_Archer_nx01
You realise that Ak-74 series are more accurate on full auto than any 5.56 assault rifles?

Re: Insurgents and Militia need AK-74's

Posted: 2008-09-22 21:51
by Scot
You may be very right, but have a source?? Not wanting to sound overly suspicious, but not a weapons expert and wondering if its true :)

Re: Insurgents and Militia need AK-74's

Posted: 2008-09-22 21:54
by Jonathan_Archer_nx01
TheScot666 wrote:You may be very right, but have a source?? Not wanting to sound overly suspicious, but not a weapons expert and wondering if its true :)
I've heard it from an expert, and then I saw a video on Youtube where it was said by a guy who co-developped the M16 with Stoner.
Edit: can't find it now.

Re: Insurgents and Militia need AK-74's

Posted: 2008-09-22 21:58
by Scot
Okay, I'll take your word for it ;)

Re: Insurgents and Militia need AK-74's

Posted: 2008-09-22 22:07
by Rudd
I don't see why people can't just let the MA's do their job :D People constantly come in to the PR forums saying "this handle isn't right etc etc" and get told the cold hard truth that either "they are living in their own fantasy world where they are Rambo and every1 else are n00bs that don't know ****.", or that "the model is currently being made", or that "the model isn't made, the current is a placeholder, would you happen to have free time to made one?"

I'm pretty sure there are servicemen on the PR team who are either trained in the use of the AK-x or have at least seen them in combat.

never ending cycle, I'm glad i'm not a R-MOD :D

Re: Insurgents and Militia need AK-74's

Posted: 2008-09-22 22:08
by Sanke
In afghan ak 74s can be found from when the soviets dropped and ran during their invasion.

Re: Insurgents and Militia need AK-74's

Posted: 2008-09-22 22:25
by -CJ-
It would ne nice to have one class with AK74 in the militia and maybe a pickup kit for insurgent.

Re: Insurgents and Militia need AK-74's

Posted: 2008-09-22 22:30
by GR34
Highly doubt the insurgents IRL have this

Re: Insurgents and Militia need AK-74's

Posted: 2008-09-22 22:39
by steve_06-07
I heard from a lot of trusting sources that there will be an official separation between the Iraqi Insurgents and Afghani Taliban/Al Qaeda. If this is true, and if someone makes an Ak-74 in their spare time(I would LOVE to learn to start modelling but A. No free time and B. no money for 3DSMax.)then perhaps the Afghani OPFOR, could have more Ak-74's than 47's and the Iraqi's can have atleast 1 pickup Ak-74(I looked, I couldn't find any Iraqi Ak-74's, but you never know) The reason I didn't say the Militia is because that when I look at the Militia, I see them more or less as a modern version of the 1960's Soviet Army(Ak-47's T-62's RPG-7's etc.)Plus the Militia have tanks and apc's, giving them a highly accurate and deadly weapon(the 5.45x39mm round is known as "Russia's Poisen Bullet")would give them a high advantage against conventional armies in ground to ground fights.

Re: Insurgents and Militia need AK-74's

Posted: 2008-09-23 02:42
by Eddie Baker
GR34 wrote:Highly doubt the insurgents IRL have this
AK74 family of weapons have turned up in insurgent weapon caches, but in comparison to the 7.62x39mm AK weapons, they were few. As I said earlier, for the ME states who already used and manufactured the AK-47 and its ammunition there wasn't much incentive to switch over to 5.45mm; the Warsaw Pact states didn't have much of a choice.