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[Proposal] Royal Marine Commandos
Posted: 2009-01-03 16:41
by Who Dares Wins
This is an idea i've had floating around in my head for a while. The main thing putting me off posting the idea has been how similar the Marines would be interms of the British Army already in PR however after looking up some more things, I feel they would be quite different to the current British Army (Like the USMC and US Army are quite different).
The British current lack any type of sea-borne assault maps and with the upcoming release of the Russian Army, the British probably have the least amount of maps of any of the currenty PR factions.
Heres some ideas:
Edited Skins
In alot of videos/pictures of the Royal Marines, most of the time alot of them are wearing berets/no head gear. A simple change could be made to the British Officer to replace the 'Standard Infantry' model and an edit of the Sniper model to be used with 'specialists' (EG: Medic) just as an example.
New Vehicles
Rigid Raider
Sea King
BvS 10
Alot of the assets needed are already in PR with the British Army, the biggest task for the faction would of course be the Aircraft Carrier but at the very least, the British would get their share of seaborne assaults.
Not the best presentation ever but you get the idea of what i'm proposing

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Re: [Proposal] Royal Marine Commandos
Posted: 2009-01-03 16:54
by Rudd
Need a carrier model before the DEVs will do this really, Sgt Smeg is working on the HMS ocean atm
in leu of that you could always have an island offshore that the RM have setup on...
but since the skins and whatnot are the same we could just use Lynx helos and tadaah! - RM is born in PR.
But they shouldn't be treated as a separate faction, since they aren't quite like the USMC vs USA is.
Re: [Proposal] Royal Marine Commandos
Posted: 2009-01-03 17:02
by Rhino
The Royal Marines also use the Merlin as well as the Lynx like rudd said so no need for the Sea King which is also going out of service in the near future.
The BVS 10 VIKING is also being replaced by a new version of it called the Warthog, the problem with this is that it can't be made for BF2 unless we only wanted it being the front cab which would be very odd since BF2 can't handle trailers at all, we have tried with POC stuff to try and get it to work but its simply not possible with the BF2 engine.
there is also many other things that would need to be made than just a boat and a carrier/assault ship for this to really work, mainly a map
and yes, this would not need to be a seprate faction since the British Army and Royal Marines have hardly any differences in weapons, camo etc.
Re: [Proposal] Royal Marine Commandos
Posted: 2009-01-03 17:02
by strima
It's been mentioned many times but Viking can't be done due to the articulated joint between the cabs.
And look, Seakings with fastropes!!!
TBH I would like to try some of the newer factions as the Brits still have a fair amount of maps and the community matches can always allow us to change who plays what map.
Re: [Proposal] Royal Marine Commandos
Posted: 2009-01-03 17:03
by Rudd
give em barracuda?
/half joke
though, do RM really go around without bodyarmour and stuff?
I really doubt that
Re: [Proposal] Royal Marine Commandos
Posted: 2009-01-03 17:05
by Rhino
Dr2B Rudd wrote:give em barracuda?
barra was in fact made for the brits in the beginning.

Re: [Proposal] Royal Marine Commandos
Posted: 2009-01-03 17:22
by Rudd
[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:barra was in fact made for the brits in the begging
Assuming that was a spelling
mistake...
I knew there was something about that map

Re: [Proposal] Royal Marine Commandos
Posted: 2009-01-03 17:37
by Rhino
hehe, ye, wasn't paying attention to the spell checker

Re: [Proposal] Royal Marine Commandos
Posted: 2009-01-03 18:01
by williejones
the skins arnt quite the same ((at least for the murlin) at least the one from the HMS Sumerset)

Re: [Proposal] Royal Marine Commandos
Posted: 2009-01-03 18:19
by Rhino
ye that is navy camo, also that merlin has a radar or w/e fitted under its belly like most navy merlins do.
Re: [Proposal] Royal Marine Commandos
Posted: 2009-01-03 18:21
by williejones
[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:
The BVS 10 VIKING is also being replaced by a new version of it called the Warthog, the problem with this is that it can't be made for BF2 unless we only wanted it being the front cab which would be very odd since BF2 can't handle trailers at all, we have tried with POC stuff to try and get it to work but its simply not possible with the BF2 engine.
havent done any work with the bf2 engine and im shore this has been suggested but what about using the system from the tank turret and linking in the movement of the trailer to the movement the cab,
eg the driver turns wheels right and the trailer moves in conjunction with it
Re: [Proposal] Royal Marine Commandos
Posted: 2009-01-03 18:29
by Rhino
williejones wrote:havent done any work with the bf2 engine and im shore this has been suggested but what about using the system from the tank turret and linking in the movement of the trailer to the movement the cab,
eg the driver turns wheels right and the trailer moves in conjunction with it
that way we have tried, not in the same way you have suggested just linked to the wheel steering nothing to do with the turret but it dont work at all well, for a start the rear cab moves side to side when you turn left to right even when your stationary which looks very odd, then it still dose not go over bumps, so say if you went over a bump like this /\ when you would get to the top in r/l both sides would just flop over each side, instead the thing is ridged.
trust me, I've had egor work on this and if he couldn't get it to work then no one can

Re: [Proposal] Royal Marine Commandos
Posted: 2009-01-03 18:41
by williejones
my thinking would be that using the turret it would pivot from a point, admitedly it doesn't solve the upy downy problem, but maybe a gyroscope that would keep it parallel to the ground it was on (probably not possible) then you could have a system to take over the world,
failing that lets just partition to MOD to only buy vechiles with out pivots.
Re: [Proposal] Royal Marine Commandos
Posted: 2009-01-03 20:19
by AnRK
Not to be too arsey or anything, but I thought the Royal Marine Commandos were a bit on the 1337 haxors side of things in gaming terms? Either way I was under the impression that they were the really specialised arm of the Royal Marines.
Re: [Proposal] Royal Marine Commandos
Posted: 2009-01-03 20:40
by williejones
as far as im aware all Royal Marines are commandos, i have never seen somone walking around with Royal Marine with out commandos under it.
Re: [Proposal] Royal Marine Commandos
Posted: 2009-01-03 21:00
by [uBp]Irish
This is an american talking, so forgive my ignorance.
Is it safe to say that the Royal Marine Commando's are a more specialized form of infantry, such as U.S. Army Rangers (better specialized light infantry)? Or are the Royal Marines their own entity in a sense? I'm trying ot figure out how to explain it better. The difference between the Royal Marines and Royal Army, isnt the same as the difference between the USA and USMC correct?
Re: [Proposal] Royal Marine Commandos
Posted: 2009-01-03 21:14
by strima
The Royal Marines are part of the Navy and have nothing to do with the Army. They specialise in mountain and arctic warfare and also provide the marine assault capability.
The Marines assault the beach (Assault Beach Unit) then the Army comes in and takes over the beach to form an Logistic Beach Unit in the form of 17 Port and Maritime Regt RLC. Normally all are commanded by Comm Amph Task Gp until a more secure airhead or port can be secured.
The RM are particularly suited to winter fighting in Afghan due to one of their primary roles. They also train for inland waterways and some jungle warfare.
Although they are nothing to do with the Army they are supported by them in the form of CDO Log Regt. We also provide Arty and Eng support. The RM still do a lot of their own support but the Army gets on with the heavier stuff freeing up the Commandos to carry out their fighting role.
Quite simple really.
Re: [Proposal] Royal Marine Commandos
Posted: 2009-01-03 21:44
by [uBp]Irish
They're pretty much 10th Mountain, and Rangers all mixed into one + amphib operations as well. Very nice.
Re: [Proposal] Royal Marine Commandos
Posted: 2009-01-04 01:37
by Scot
[R-COM]strima wrote:
Although they are nothing to do with the Army they are supported by them in the form of CDO Log Regt. We also provide Arty and Eng support. The RM still do a lot of their own support but the Army gets on with the heavier stuff freeing up the Commandos to carry out their fighting role.
Quite simple really.
If I'm not mistaken(which I could well be) you have to pass the Commando Course to support them Engy or Arty support, so are essentially a Marine, but just in your regiment(Royal Engies or whatever) rather than the Navy? Or am I way off?
Re: [Proposal] Royal Marine Commandos
Posted: 2009-01-04 01:44
by SuperTimo
Scot wrote:If I'm not mistaken(which I could well be) you have to pass the Commando Course to support them Engy or Arty support, so are essentially a Marine, but just in your regiment(Royal Engies or whatever) rather than the Navy? Or am I way off?
well according to a poster the army cadets have up at my cadet centre
royal engineers that are with the marines go through he commando course and work with them. its also says "they receive the coveted green beret." but they are still an engie mainly.