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I was thinking that civilians aren't seen that much because of the spawntimes

so, a way to make blufor have to watch their fire would be to make some insurgents look like harmless civilians.

Well, thats kind unrealistic with guys carrying AKs, since they can't just stuff them down their pants Gybrush Threepwood sytle.

But an insurgent with a pistol would be able to hide the weapon, and possibly trick blufor in to coming close.

Then the blufor would really shoot everyone? This won't work imo unless the collaborator class is fixed first.

Indeed, would get even more civies killed. The game mode is not ready for that yet.

sorry doc, but that would only confuse things even more as it is.

Dont like the idea of an insurgent with a hidden gun, maybe hidden exploves since that is very realisitic, but pistol is not. What about a TNT west pickup kit?

Or a 3kg suicide charge.

Plus I don't know how effective a pistol would be against coalition troops with body armour, it doesn't seem practical. But spawn time changes would be the way to go if they did change anything

I like this idea.

I'm not saying it would work with game play but it would certainly add something new. Deep thoughts:

Interesting Idea
Pistol Range/Caliber and body armour making it a very hard to use weapon effectively (but that's the compromise of having a concealed weapon and looking like a civ)
Allah would be proud

What about a specialized IED for Civilians that explodes instantly when thrown and counts as a suicide (+ long spawn time) for the player?

The pistol idea aims to do the same thing, but not as well.

the suicide vest is pretty easy to see unless they are wearing a concealing jacket surely? such suspicious individuals are surely orders to keep their distance, take off the jacket and submit to search?

The pistol thing helps keep the idea of civilians in play, forcine Brits to think about whether or not a civi is a civi.

fact is, people would rather be a civi in disguise with a normal spawntime...than a civi with a long spawntime regardless of how well you behave as a civi

Imagine, 2 blufor in a ditch, a civi is close "cover me, I'll try and arrest him"

if its a civi, he'll either get arrested or escape

if its a pistol guy, he'll probably pull the pistol out and try to kill the blufor, which is why it is important for the 2nd guy to cover him.

If a suicide guy looking like civi was implemented...it would result in blufor killing civis anyway to avoid a powerful attack

Youve got a point medic man, but still I have a feeling civies with hidden handguns are pretty unrealistic as I have never heard of pistol ambushes in Iraq or afghanistan. Though Ive heard alot about suicide attacks.

touche

I was thinking gameplay more than anything, since civi kit is so unpopular.

we need more "is that guy armed?" thinking on blufor side

but I agree with others that overhaul of the civi kit is the best way to acheive this

Oh, I see, yes thats pretty cool though, but armed civiilans should have a "hard to spot" giveaway, but it would be pretty much the same with the suicide west. "what!? is that guy carrieng a west of death?" But I am not really sure about my suicide west idea, I will have to meditate on this matter

Dr2B Rudd wrote:the suicide vest is pretty easy to see unless they are wearing a concealing jacket surely? such suspicious individuals are surely orders to keep their distance, take off the jacket and submit to search?

The pistol thing helps keep the idea of civilians in play, forcine Brits to think about whether or not a civi is a civi.

fact is, people would rather be a civi in disguise with a normal spawntime...than a civi with a long spawntime regardless of how well you behave as a civi

Imagine, 2 blufor in a ditch, a civi is close "cover me, I'll try and arrest him"

if its a civi, he'll either get arrested or escape

if its a pistol guy, he'll probably pull the pistol out and try to kill the blufor, which is why it is important for the 2nd guy to cover him.

If a suicide guy looking like civi was implemented...it would result in blufor killing civis anyway to avoid a powerful attack

So that is why we should give british side instant death if they kill civilian. That way they can't shoot them unless they are pretty sure civ is armed.

instant death is too harsh, since accidents happen and civilians can get killed and its not ur fault. 5 civi deaths would indicate that the person isn't even trying to avoid civi deaths and deserves a death.

Dr2B Rudd wrote:instant death is too harsh, since accidents happen and civilians can get killed and its not ur fault. 5 civi deaths would indicate that the person isn't even trying to avoid civi deaths and deserves a death.

Doc is right, say you fire at a house (to protect ur squad from an ambush) with a challenger and kill some insurgents but also a civillian, then you shouldnt get instakilled. Shit happens.

I had an idea of giving the ambusher the same kit geometry and skin as the civie. So you could throw down your IED somewhere, sit on a hill and wait for the bluefor to try and arrest you. BOOM! Of course you would have to keep your phone out so they don't know it's a ambush.

It's a realistic way insurgents would use the appearance of being a civie. And you could easily avoid getting shot as a civie, by carrying your rocks or field dressings, since the ambusher lacks both of those.

hehehe, I can imagine a sign in the middle of basrah "all persons using cellphones are now considered hostile under the ROE"