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Just a quick question about the M68 scope on the US medic's rifle. The red dot is on the tip of the iron sites and as there is no zoom at all with this scope, is there a advantage at all? Should the irons be visible in the scope and the dot only visible?

As it is there seems no advantage at all over just plain iron sights.

I searched the forums but found no information or screens to compare to what I see ingame.

Ta

Sal

It's likely realistic. I can't speak from experience, but from a quick google search it seems most weapons of the type have both ironsights and "dot" sights.

HolmstN wrote:It's likely realistic. I can't speak from experience, but from a quick google search it seems most weapons of the type have both ironsights and "dot" sights.

Aye thats fair enough but if I add a scope I would expect an improvement and not what seems to be the irons with a red dot on top.

I was an air rifle enthusiast when I was younger and my dad bought me a scope for it. It was about a 4 x magnification and as most scopes sits high on the rifle and I could not see the iron sights when using it.

There just seems no point to it over iron sights in game as it is. Never having used a M16 or M4 in real life I do not know what I would see. Anyone have real world experience with this?

Ta

Sal

Red dot doesn't block as much of your view as iron sights do.

also as far as i know the red dot doesn't have magnification, but just helps the soldier aquire the target faster in real life. ingame it's just there because it realistic basicly (and fill less)

you get a better view of your target with the reddot then you do with normal ironsights

but thats it really, i like them though, a nice addition

The M68 is not a true scope in the traditional sense. It's an aim point.

In real life, in order to shoot any rifle accurately the shooter must acquire proper sight picture. This is done with the combination of "cheek to stock well" and correct lining up of the front and rear site post.

"Cheek to stock well" is the resting of the cheek on the SAME EXACT position of the rifle stock every time the soldier shoots. In addition, the front sight post must be exactly in the middle of the rear site post picture when the shot is lined up. Even a well trained soldier needs to take a moment to get all these things together.

Learning this tends to set a lot of potential soldiers back during basic training. Not to mention proper breathing and trigger squeeze.

The M68 eliminates the need for worrying about your "cheek to stock well" and lining up the front and rear sight posts. If you were to line up a shot with one, and moved your head all over the place, the dot would remain on the target you first aimed at. It also makes it a much more useful sight during CQB. An additional advantage in that a An/PVS14 night vision device can be mounted directly behind it on any weapon with a picatinny rail.

There's a bad myth that the red dot should be lined up with the front sight post as a "reference" point. This unfortunately has confused the poop out of some soldiers leading to great frustration and a lot of M68's collecting dust on an armorer's self. I personally hate how the M68 looks in .85 because it seems to reflect this point of view.

Why are we still using the M68 and not all using the ACOG? Quite frankly, the Army bought the M68 first; and will be using them until they all break. So the sooner some nefarious soldier breaks his, the sooner it will be replaced by an ACOG.

In game, it's of course meaningless.

Deadfast wrote:Red dot doesn't block as much of your view as iron sights do.

^^^ this 100%

+ the dot adds a better chance of hiting your target as the dot is small and easy to put on a head vs the bigger iron site and its red and not black so its easy to see.

The aimpoint should be mounted higher. M4/M16 both have a feature that allows an 8mm sightrail to be attached on top of the ironsights. And why dont the other armies have reddots variants at all.

sentinel wrote:The aimpoint should be mounted higher. M4/M16 both have a feature that allows an 8mm sightrail to be attached on top of the ironsights. And why dont the other armies have reddots variants at all.

they want to test the red dot be fore they add it to every army so if it is bad and hated they only mess up one army.

I love it.

It is Win.

It needs to be on USMC medic!

R.J.Travis wrote:they want to test the red dot be fore they add it to every army so if it is bad and hated they only mess up one army.

i would think its more the fact that US use red dots more than other nations than that ^^

it will be funny when the german army gets ingame, since the currently used g36 as the bundeswehr uses it, does not even have ironsights, but all have a scope and a reddod 2 in one sight, so you will not see any ironsights when playing the germans

I get the feeling people are not getting my point here.

Why would anyone put a scope on the gun when all it does is place a red dot on the middle post of the iron sight at its tip which when using a gun with iron sights is what you use anyway? Surely the idea of this scope is so you would mount it so that when looking through it you would not see the iron sights at all.....just the red dot. You might as well take off the scope and use irons only as there is no advantage especially as the M68 does not magnify.

I googled for examples but could not find any footage with an M68 but did find loads using the Eotech. The footage I saw of those has the red crosshair of that scope in the view and you cannot see the irons at all. It is mounted so you cannot see the iron sites. Should the M68 not be like that?

When using the gun ingame with the ACOG, all you see is the ACOG sight and no irons, I just expected that the same would be true when using the gun with an M68.

Ta

Sal

the m68 is not a scope. its an aimpoint. it does not have any magnification in real life. so in game, it doesnt either. aside from the better visibility you get, its the SAME as the iron sight. i think alot of people are missing the point. every army in game gets scoped riflemen, and an ironsight/aimpoint rifleman. its a matter of choice. some of us actually like having an aimpoint for close in fighting, or some people like me even use the aimpoint for most situations as we are more comfortable with it. not everyone wants huge zoom on every gun. now obviously i wouldnt go running around kashan without an acog, but on ramiel its all the way m68 for me.

He means why is the front post on the gun still there, and why it isn't removed.
All the military pics i found still had them




And I'm sure the MA's says the army and marines keep the front post on.

R.J.Travis wrote:they want to test the red dot be fore they add it to every army so if it is bad and hated they only mess up one army.

I love it.

It is Win.

It needs to be on USMC medic!

oh c'mon...there's got to be SOME IRON SIGHTS!!!

Because it cant be removed I guess, a problem with the gun. Dunno for sure though. Maybe its so you can faster replace the aimpoint with a carrying handle.

The point of the aimpoint is not better accuracy, but simply better visibility and speed.

Salraine_Chi wrote:I get the feeling people are not getting my point here.

Why would anyone put a scope on the gun when all it does is place a red dot on the middle post of the iron sight at its tip which when using a gun with iron sights is what you use anyway? Surely the idea of this scope is so you would mount it so that when looking through it you would not see the iron sights at all.....just the red dot. You might as well take off the scope and use irons only as there is no advantage especially as the M68 does not magnify.

I googled for examples but could not find any footage with an M68 but did find loads using the Eotech. The footage I saw of those has the red crosshair of that scope in the view and you cannot see the irons at all. It is mounted so you cannot see the iron sites. Should the M68 not be like that?

When using the gun ingame with the ACOG, all you see is the ACOG sight and no irons, I just expected that the same would be true when using the gun with an M68.

Ta

Sal

In a game the m68 does absolutely nothing. However, in real life, it makes it much easier to line your shot up because all you have to do is place the dot on the tip of the front sight. Without it, you would have to have lots of practice of lining up the front sight perfectly between the back sights where a mm of a misconception can lead to a missed shot.

jeeao wrote:it makes it much easier to line your shot up because all you have to do is place the dot on the tip of the front sight.

In real life, you put the dot on the target and pull the trigger. You don't have to line anything up. No matter what angle you look through the optic, the "dot" will appear on the exact spot where the barrel is pointed at (higher or lower depending on the range and what distance the dot is zeroed at).

Scope = short for telescopic. The M68 is NOT a telescopic sight.




I have found the M68 aimpoint ingame to be much more useful than ironsights as it allows you to have a wider field of view next to the center.

from reading your posts it seems they need to make this m86 to have less devation the the irons sites so make 35% recoil vs 40%