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Crates with Parachutes
Posted: 2009-03-08 17:53
by Hoboknighter
I understand that the commander can no longer call in supply crates willy-nilly, but having the ability to have crates dropped anywhere on the map was a key asset to anyone. Thus, helicopters should be able to drop crates that have parachutes on them to float to the ground so they don't always have to land.
Maybe this should be reserved to only the larger helos (eg. Blackhawks) or even add a small transport plane that people can fly and has a (10?) short respawn time. This addition would add amazing depth to the game.
Re: Crates with Parachutes
Posted: 2009-03-08 18:00
by Tartantyco
-You don't have to land to drop crates, as long as you're not too far off the ground and aren't moving forward or backwards at too great a speed the crates will survive.
Re: Crates with Parachutes
Posted: 2009-03-08 18:07
by waldo_ii
Hoboknighter wrote:add a small transport plane that people can fly and has a (10?) short respawn time. This addition would add amazing depth to the game.
All transport helicopters have a five minute respawn time. Attack helicopters and scouting helicopters have a twenty-minute respawn.
Crates can survive a fall of 10 meters, you don't have to land. If you were to drop a supply crate from an altitude high enough to evade all enemy fire, you won't have near the accuracy necessary for building a FB in the spot that SLs on the ground want, nor the accuracy to resupply a squad in dire need of supplies.
Soldiers on the ground should
always either clear an LZ or travel to a safe LZ for supplies. The pilot should not have to worry about evading enemy fire at all. There is really no need for a high-altitude supply drop. All supply drops should be done in safe areas where the helicopter can go as low as they can.
Re: Crates with Parachutes
Posted: 2009-03-08 18:12
by Tannhauser
10 meters? No, I remember landing a crate from over 100m and it survived. Heck I even dropped one in the water and it kept floating.
Kinda ridiculous when you think about it.
Re: Crates with Parachutes
Posted: 2009-03-08 18:15
by Hoboknighter
Yes, but that also means you're going to have to get down to about 10-20m off the ground, which will make you a sitting duck for any armor-AA-AT. With parachutes you can just fly over the area, drop them, and fly off.
Re: Crates with Parachutes
Posted: 2009-03-08 18:28
by Spec
But they'll land nowhere near the place they're needed.
As people already said, make sure the LZ is clear, and you can go down without problem.
Re: Crates with Parachutes
Posted: 2009-03-08 18:32
by waldo_ii
Tannhauser wrote:10 meters? No, I remember landing a crate from over 100m and it survived. Heck I even dropped one in the water and it kept floating.
Kinda ridiculous when you think about it.
Yeah, that is a bug. It is best if people think it is at 10 where it should be, so people play it the way it is supposed to be played, not exploiting at every opportunity.
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Re: Crates with Parachutes
Posted: 2009-03-08 18:34
by Gaven
I really don't think it's a terrible idea.
Re: Crates with Parachutes
Posted: 2009-03-08 18:34
by LithiumFox
Spec_Operator wrote:But they'll land nowhere near the place they're needed.
As people already said, make sure the LZ is clear, and you can go down without problem.
Well, I personally think the option should be there cause then what if they just need supplies, not really an FB? It's a hot LZ and they are just trying to hold out and they're running out of ammo? Do you need an exact area? No, so long as it's remotely accesable.. i think at least a 30-50m parachute would be ok :]
Re: Crates with Parachutes
Posted: 2009-03-08 18:40
by Spec
Well, imo there is no need for this. In real life you can't just call for ammo anywhere either. When you're surrounded and out of ammo, then that is a problem.
Re: Crates with Parachutes
Posted: 2009-03-08 19:28
by Hoboknighter
In vBF2 it was set so parachute drops from commanders always came down within a 10m radius. A drop from a helicopter flying over or plane would be just the same, and FB crate placement doesn't really need to be exact anyways.
Re: Crates with Parachutes
Posted: 2009-03-08 19:50
by AnRK
I doubt supplies are often fitted with parachutes, I know it's done but it'll be rare. Anyway if that happened you could easily fly at a few hundred feet well away from any AA to drop them, logistics is supposed to take some thought and ammo and building materials aren't supposed to be abundant, 2 things this would detract from.
Re: Crates with Parachutes
Posted: 2009-03-08 21:08
by Expendable Grunt
Chopper full of pilots + high altitude crate drop = para squad.
That's why they wont do it. We used to do it back in .5/.6 when we could supply drop still. They'd have to remove kit requesting off of the crates.
M.
Re: Crates with Parachutes
Posted: 2009-03-08 22:13
by Blakeman
I used to do a lot of work on in Yuma Arizona where they routinely test drops from C-130s at low altitude with parachutes that only slow the supplies down before they hit the deck. I have never heard of a helicopter dropping supplies via parachute in real life.
Re: Crates with Parachutes
Posted: 2009-03-08 22:14
by Hoboknighter
We could also load up choppers or planes with the smaller crates with parachutes that only rearm, but then FB dropping crates would be impossible.
You could also create a mod of a heli that drops the parachute crates, but only put it on a map like Muttrah, and then only put one of them.
Re: Crates with Parachutes
Posted: 2009-03-09 00:32
by Snazz
Hoboknighter wrote:In vBF2 it was set so parachute drops from commanders always came down within a 10m radius. A drop from a helicopter flying over or plane would be just the same, and FB crate placement doesn't really need to be exact anyways.
The commander has a static view of the map and can just click on co-ordinates.
Whereas helicopters in PR are almost always moving.
Decent pilots could hover right over a spot (risking being shot down), but if it's meant to be realistic then the chopper would have to be up high enough for the parachute to deploy and at such altitudes you wouldn't be very accurate.
AFAIK the vBF2 commander supply crate drops are hardcoded so if implemented in another way it would probably work differently.
IMO it's not worth the trouble as there's no real need for paradropping them when decent pilots can drop them from low altitude already.
Re: Crates with Parachutes
Posted: 2009-03-09 00:40
by awqs
you just fly in low stop close to the ground and drop the crate.
the transport plane wouldnt work because people would want to get in it a para drop then it wouldnt work IMO
Re: Crates with Parachutes
Posted: 2009-03-09 02:21
by gclark03
Certain helicopters could be given smaller crates, without kit request capability, that could be dropped from greater altitudes without being destroyed.
Re: Crates with Parachutes
Posted: 2009-03-09 02:46
by bloodthirsty_viking
i think set it up so that helos can drop small rearm crates with paracutes at max, and those parachutes only deply after 100-300 meeters of falling
Re: Crates with Parachutes
Posted: 2009-03-09 02:56
by Airsoft
Can someone show me that a heli drops supply with a parachute? I've seen 2 types of delivering cargo via chopper, one being pushed out from the inside and another lifted from the bottom of the heli. I've seen C130s dropping supplies with a parachute but nothing else.