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hi every one first time posting thread hope im in the right section, well i love pr and love the insurgent maps but come on dont you think we should have scopes for the guns? i mean not one of the insurgent guns have scopes i dunno maybe its just me

not only is it unrealistic, its not needed IMO.

insurgents style of fighting (if done correctly) should mean you don't need a scope.


also, welcome to the forums

But that's what makes being an insurgent so much fun. Spray and pray ftw!

lol well when u all put it like that true, its a bit annoying though when ur hoping the yanks come in close for close combat but by the time u move ur tiny little cursor on him he scoped u out and shot u from miles away

dont try and engage if he has a range advantage. pop up and land a few shots down by all means but dont try fight his war. wait for them to get close, or move to them in cover and get some full auto action on up close and personal

That's why there's a crapload of objects to take cover on most maps.
So it actually gives you a chance to survive. Let them come to you, they're the ones who need to find a cache, not the insurgent.

insurgents should never get scopes. I doubt they can afford to put a scope on every gun. Why do the taliban grendier have a scope though?

Well, I'm sure there's a few leftover from the Russian invasion that a few responsible taliban fighters might've acquired. Not to mention whatever the Americans might've smuggled in to aid them.

I didn't know there was a Russian invasion in Iraq. ?

Feuerwaffen wrote:I didn't know there was a Russian invasion in Iraq. ?

He was talking about the Taliban, hence Afghanistan.

gazzthompson wrote: insurgents style of fighting (if done correctly) should mean you don't need a scope.

Especially if/when they fix the spawn timers on the collaborators so they can be used to "pull in" hostiles.

I think the scopes should be removed from the militia and Talibans to. I think they are to mirrored with the Russians/US/UK right now.

Spaz wrote:I think the scopes should be removed from the militia and Talibans to. I think they are to mirrored with the Russians/US/UK right now.

I concur, the "unconventional" factions have become way too conventional. Give them some weak-scoped bolt-actions so that they have SOME range, but keep the assault rifles, etc ironsighted.

Well you can always steal a scoped weapon when you're done teabagging

Oh common its not like you cant find a single scope in afghanistan and chechnya

CroCop_PR wrote:Oh common its not like you cant find a single scope in afghanistan and chechnya

Indeed, so keep them on the officer kit mebbe, or some pick-up kits that spawn at main if you control key flags. Really this is a gameplay thing rather than a "realism" thing. The unconventional forces are a lot more fun if they aren't just mirrors of conventional armies.

Assuming that all squads are full squads, there will be five officer kits among the crew out of thirty two people. You can't tell me that five out of every thirty two weapons you find in illegal arms markets have optics.

This is not a realism thing at all.



It can't be a gameplay thing either. Insurgents are supposed to ambush and engage at close ranges. They do not need optics at all. If you are playing the insurgent faction properly, the optic would only slow you down. Is it unfair? YES. It is called ASYMMETRY. That is the whole point of the insurgency game mode. ASYMMETRY.

CroCop_PR wrote:Oh common its not like you cant find a single scope in afghanistan and chechnya

That's why the SVD and Lee Enfield marksman/sniper rifles at the Mosques or headquarters are for. They have scopes and are in limited supply, so you can find one.

I'm not sure if scopes is the answer. It'd make things different from it is now. I like my up-close AK ripping action.

there should really be a sticky for posts like this. its seems like so many people are trying to arcade-ize and dereal-ize {yes i made up those words} PR. theres already a version of PR with completely mirror balanced factions, future weapons type weapons, nonexistant spawn times, and lots of other arcade goodness its called vanilla bf2.

waldo_ii wrote: It can't be a gameplay thing either. Insurgents are supposed to ambush and engage at close ranges. They do not need optics at all. If you are playing the insurgent faction properly, the optic would only slow you down. Is it unfair? YES. It is called ASYMMETRY. That is the whole point of the insurgency game mode. ASYMMETRY.

INS != Militia or Taleban. Taleban were warlords, it's an important distinction. Ditto for Militias. They wouldn't use identical tactics.

I don't want to see Militants or Taleban just become raspberry flavoured INS, just as I don't want them to be mirrored soviets / mec. A decent selection of *NONSNIPER* scopes isn't implausible. Chechen rebels / generic militants would definitely have access to scoped bolt-action hunting rifles, infact they'd probably be a lot easier to get hold of than assault rifles.