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TEAMPLAY.......?

Posted: 2009-04-23 15:38
by Shorty
I have a huge suggestion how we can have much more teamplay in PR. The hmmwv´s/ vodniks have been taken away to make more teamplay possible. I think the opposite happened.

First of all we need a commander. He would give us much more teamplay and tactics. So it must be fun and varied to be commander. So the commander do not have to sit inside the command post to spot. He can sit inside a firebase and in a vodnik to command. But just to give build orders or accept area attacks he has to sit inside one of these things. If the commander sits inside that soldiers may request special equipment from him like a supressor a better scope or a submachine gun. That would pesuade that the commander would be close to the battle ....and the squads also. ( I hate it when I look on the map and I see 2 squads at a flag thats not relevant anymore). If the commander likes to sit inside an aa for a bit a SL can hump inside the vodnik and spot that firebase. The com just accepts it. Remember it must be fun and not boring to be com.

A new supply and transport request system:

The ammo or transport request can be seen of any soldier on the map. The "new" Vodniks drive around ad do their job they are designed to. They will earn special supplypoints for that and will be able to pimp their ride-perhaps the most important part of my suggestion: everyone likes to pimp his ride. so why not in pr? People react a lot by being punished or rewarded. the punishment we have already by the long spawntimes. So why no stronger and faster vodniks as a reward for good teamwork?
You could bring in

a stronger machine
a water cooling system for the 50cal
and finaly....a minigun( I saw that on a clip made in iraq)

a music system would be nice too( perhaps some internet radio?)


The new vodniks could be the interface between infantry and armor squads: if you remove the repair station from the truck and give it to the vodniks. infantry can be healed just by sitting inside the vodnik(would be realistic). the vodnik needs the repair points the trnsport points and the resupply and healing points to be pimped up.

I could bring more detail suggestions if needed.

Re: TEAMPLAY.......?

Posted: 2009-04-23 16:10
by OkitaMakoto
Music cant be done in BF2... its not like BF: Vietnam sadly...

No way on Oki's green earth would we add a minigun to the vodnik[ is that anywhere near realistic?? I mean in terms of military not just a few guys screwing around...]

Dont think we'd add in perks to vehicles tbh, I just dont see it happening.

How is sitting in a vehicle getting healed at all realistic? You cant just throw around the term realistic to support an idea ;)

That all being said, welcome to the forums, and although I dont agree with any of this I do appreciate that you wrote it out clearly and thought out. :)

For future reference, in terms of suggestions, check out the Already Suggested Suggestions thread here:
https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f18-pr ... tions.html
This contains the most common suggestions we get including adding music to vehicles. If its in this list, then dont resuggest it, instead maybe find an open thread that is linked to and continue the talk there, or just forget about it ;)

Cheers,
Oki

Re: TEAMPLAY.......?

Posted: 2009-04-23 16:13
by Shorty
If you say so...how is it realistic to heal a soldier that is almost dead without a operations suite on the battlefield within 1 minute? If a medic can heal a soldier with fielddressings he could also heal himself inside the vodnik.

the minigun was just a suggestion. And I think insurgents do a lot to have more firepower btw.

Re: TEAMPLAY.......?

Posted: 2009-04-23 16:14
by Grim1316
Welcome to the forums. They are some interesting ideas but they wont work.
First of all we need a commander. He would give us much more teamplay and tactics. So it must be fun and varied to be commander. So the commander do not have to sit inside the command post to spot. He can sit inside a firebase and in a vodnik to command. But just to give build orders or accept area attacks he has to sit inside one of these things
All ready suggested, maybe you should post it in this topic.
If the commander sits inside that soldiers may request special equipment from him like a supressor a better scope or a submachine gun. That would pesuade that the commander would be close to the battle ....and the squads also. ( I hate it when I look on the map and I see 2 squads at a flag thats not relevant anymore). If the commander likes to sit inside an aa for a bit a SL can hump inside the vodnik and spot that firebase. The com just accepts it. Remember it must be fun and not boring to be com.
Most of that is hard coded, plus most armies do not equip submachine guns on a whole scale.
The ammo or transport request can be seen of any soldier on the map. The "new" Vodniks drive around ad do their job they are designed to. They will earn special supplypoints for that and will be able to pimp their ride-perhaps the most important part of my suggestion: everyone likes to pimp his ride. so why not in pr? People react a lot by being punished or rewarded. the punishment we have already by the long spawntimes. So why no stronger and faster vodniks as a reward for good teamwork?
the getting of points is possible, but the customizing a vehicle is definitely impossible to do in this engine.
a stronger machine
a water cooling system for the 50cal
and finaly....a minigun( I saw that on a clip made in iraq)
First off, that doesn't happen in real life for any of them. This is project "Reality" not project road warrior.
The new vodniks could be the interface between infantry and armor squads: if you remove the repair station from the truck and give it to the vodniks. infantry can be healed just by sitting inside the vodnik(would be realistic). the vodnik needs the repair points the trnsport points and the resupply and healing points to be pimped up.
Will not happen. As the stuff needed to repair vehicles would be too big and too bulky to fit in a jeep, second of all they will never be made to heal infantry.

Sorry man in the end most of this stuff is Already Suggested or hard coded. You should always check the AAS(Already Suggested Suggestions) thread at the top of this forum as well as using the search function.

Re: TEAMPLAY.......?

Posted: 2009-04-23 16:37
by Shorty
The stronger machine was just a suggestion. But I read that soldiers in Iraq "pimp" their hmmwv´s with kevler ledges. So I just had some more ideas ;)

Re: TEAMPLAY.......?

Posted: 2009-04-23 16:47
by Dunehunter
They used to up-armor their humvees before the military did it for them, but that is not common practice anymore. Also, the Humvee with minigun on it was used by special forces.

Re: TEAMPLAY.......?

Posted: 2009-04-23 16:49
by Shorty
Anyway... the main part of my suggestion was the general role of the hmmwv. It would be realistic and fun to have them in the game again ;)

and I think that it should take alot of time and teamwork to get that minigun on the hmmwv...so there wouldn´t be more than 1 minigun on the map anyway.

Re: TEAMPLAY.......?

Posted: 2009-04-23 18:58
by SocketMan
I think you can "hook" the music up to an object in game (car/static).
I loved FOB's spawning cars,it required people to build em instead of just using rallies.
That's "better" team work in my books then sending one guy forward for the sole
purpose of him getting shot (wounded only of course for a couple of minutes till revived) thus exposing the (hidden) enemy.I guess that's more of a squad play. :razz:

Re: TEAMPLAY.......?

Posted: 2009-04-23 19:00
by stoobywon
A minigun on a Humvee would only make people want to go Rambo in it since it would be so fast and powerful. As for the supplies/repair station in the humvees, I personally think that is a horrible idea since that is the whole point of supply trucks and that would be very unrealistic. A humvee will not be able to hold ammo to supply multiple squads, hold enough supplies to build a firebase (I envision that the supply crates also represent a bunch of sandbags to build a FB), and it would definitely not be able to hold the supplies to repair a vehicle. A humvee holding 5 infantry would not be able to hold one of these, let alone all 3 plus any other things supply crates represent that I'm forgetting (oh yeah they signify carrying a bunch of weapons for requestable kits).

But I do agree that humvees should be in the battle more, but definitely not in this form. Maybe spawning on FBs again but not as often as before, maybe 10 minutes.

Re: TEAMPLAY.......?

Posted: 2009-04-24 00:52
by Killer2354
actually in CQB mod, they've found a way to implement music into the car's horn. it has a scroll option that allows u to play different music. it would be nice if cars spawned from FOBs again.

Re: TEAMPLAY.......?

Posted: 2009-04-24 05:50
by Dev1200
I actually laughed when I read this.


How is putting a minigun on top of a vodnik, "pimping" out your "ride", and making the commander give out SMG's to players supporting teamplay? SMG's aren't used in regular armies anyway, vehicle customization can't be done, and a minigun on top of a vodnik? That's just.. insane.

Re: TEAMPLAY.......?

Posted: 2009-04-24 09:53
by Shorty
I wonder why you guys comment the things you do not like of my suggestion. The minigun and the submachine gun were just ideas within the suggestion and unimportant for the whole thing...

Re: TEAMPLAY.......?

Posted: 2009-04-24 10:00
by DankE_SPB
Shorty wrote:I wonder why you guys comment the things you do not like of my suggestion. The minigun and the submachine gun were just ideas within the suggestion and unimportant for the whole thing...
what you expected? "ZOMG we wantz miniguns on everything is moving"?
whole your system is just ridiculous, why commander should sit in vodnik or FOB? whats the point of "pimp my ride" and customizable weapon? its project reality, yes, its still a game, but thats why we have respawn :D

Re: TEAMPLAY.......?

Posted: 2009-04-24 10:08
by Shorty
If you would read my suggestion and think a minute about it you would realize that there wouldnt be a minigun on everything whats moving but just on that hmmvw that helped the team a lot. And a mobile commander would people give the incentive to be commander. Do you have a better idea for that incentive?

Re: TEAMPLAY.......?

Posted: 2009-04-24 10:25
by DankE_SPB
1. I read your post and if you thought a minute before suggesting miniguns, you would understand that regular hmmvw dont use miniguns in reality, regular troops are not issued with suppresors and SMGs etc.
2. I dont want mobile commander because dead commander can do nothing

Re: TEAMPLAY.......?

Posted: 2009-04-24 10:44
by Shorty
Well I suggested it because I saw a video where a regular hmmwv shooting its minigun in Iraq. I am not sure but I do not think that they were special forces.

The commander should not go to the frontline but if he can sit in a firebase instead of the comand post all the time it would be more varied to be comander.

And: The minigun/ submachine guns are not the important part of my post.

Re: TEAMPLAY.......?

Posted: 2009-04-24 11:37
by epoch
I don't get why people think commander is boring. Those who want to command WILL command, and plenty of people do.

And anyway, in 'reality' the person/team commanding the operation (i.e. the 'commander') are more likely to be in another country, let alone sitting in a glorified ice-cream van at the airbase! But, as that's not possible, having them out of the action, in an area of safety, is more realistic imho.

Re: TEAMPLAY.......?

Posted: 2009-04-25 02:00
by Shorty
I do not know how vast both armies are coming together but I just suppose 10000 each. So that "Genereal" would actually move to the frintline to estimate the situatuation. And he would use a Hummer or APC to get there.

I liked it to command before I must sit in the command post all the time.

As far as I know the stryker for ex. is a móbile command station. So why not in PR?

I suggested miniguns and stuff. But there could a great many things else be requested from the commader like thermal imaging assets special ammo or whatever. I know thats not that much "realistic". But is it realistic to heal a soldier on the battlefield at all? We could have medical hummers ;)

Re: TEAMPLAY.......?

Posted: 2009-04-25 02:20
by SkaterCrush
No, he would get his soldiers to count for him...if he was a REALLY lazy **** he'd call over a UAV with thermal imaging...he wouldn't risk exposing himself to snipers (the one time they really are important) or even the chance of his vehicle getting hit by an AT weapon. Its funny because your one of those stubborn guys who thinks all his ideas are right, but at least THEY have logic and SOME knowledge of military tactics...

Re: TEAMPLAY.......?

Posted: 2009-04-25 02:33
by Shorty
No, he wouldn´t risk to get shot by a sniper while sitting in the hummer. And if he is leaving it he is getting covered by frendlies all over. But you are right I am one of those stubborn guys :D