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Some time it is so frustrating to play as Insurgent. Getting sniped every time you fire at enemy player, blown away by IFV, rammed by tank like Humvee, zombie squads, human wave tactic... This is some what due to 'Teamplay' element of this mod(rally/revive), but also have to do with how gamers in Insurgent side act. Many times in unintended way, or in very unrealistic way, which causes this turkey shoot like situation that frustrates player which leads to such comment like "I can't hit anyone with this rifle" or almost dozen of player sniped by mere assault rifle or blown away by IFV. Remember, this mod is Real too. Not only Teamplay.

It is useless going up against Modern military faction using Insurgent faction weapons at mid to long range so don't try these. Results always come back same. Not fun.

So a new way to playing Insurgency mode that I discovered.
I call this 'Try not to die the whole round' Tactic.
Below are some ideas as to how to play this new tactic.

1.Be a spectator.
Do not run into front line head to head with enemy player as soon as you spawn. Observe the situation and guess where the frontline of battle is. Take out your binocular, carefully searching every rooftop and down the street as if your binocular is scoped assault rifle, move into best position for spectating enemy player activity and fight. Few example of these positions are behind enemy frontline, sides of frontline, (X axis of frontline. If you are on Y axis you are head to head with enemy) and route which opposite side comes along to get to frontline. Best kit to do this tactic is with one thats wearing same clothing as civilian. But not civilian.
Don't even bother and frustrate your self getting killed over and over again by trying to take out enemy squad, enemy firebase, or get obsessed with how you can take out that sniper/machine gunner squad that snipes from main roof all round long.

2.Do not engage unless they CAN'T fire back.
Once you follow the spectator like behavior you are likely to encounter a situation where enemy player is in vulnerable position. But just because you see a whole pack of enemy player facing back toward you doesn't mean you want to fire at them when you are playing this new 'Try not to die the whole round'. Lets say a fully manned 6 men squad cut across in front of you. Usually you open fire against them hoping to get rambo kills. But the odds are they will likely to spot you faster than you can take them out and take you out. Unless you encounter single or maybe two infantry at close range, I won't recommend opening fire, unless you are in very concealed position. Whether the cover concealing you is capable of protecting against enemy player's fire or not. Do not fire unless opposing side can't tell where shots are coming from. Do not shoot at player with IFV cover. Do not stay in room when there is possibility of IFV might have spotted you. High Explosive round is only lethal when blast can reflect against surface. (due to lack of penetration with some object with BF2 engine) So staying in room, standing next to wall, or be in proximity of where gunner can land round near your feet is mortal. Just because you hide behind wall does not make you safe. Gunner can still fire at ground to reflect blast to you hiding behind wall.

Remember, the whole point is NOT TO DIE THE WHOLE ROUND, not about getting kill score.
Do not get spotted as much as possible. Opposing side is most afraid of not seeing enemy. Because if they can see you they can take you out most of time. If they can't spot you, it is scary enough.

3.Run away.
When IFV fires at you with HE or enemy player is coming to take you out, run away like crazy and hide. Do not try to take them out by your self.

4.Don't bother Protecting Cache.
Once cache is revealed opposing side will expect you to be there and most of player by now memorized approximate location of cache. Opposite side expect you to come head to head against them. If you do this and if opposite side bring IFV you are in Trap for sure. If enemy player is amateur enough to come to CQC you might have chance to win but if they are not you have no chance of winning against barrage of sniper fire. I have seen few times where Insurgent side players protect cache to point opposite team give up on taking cache and moves onto another blue cache using suicide IED against IFV and being sniped for 15 minute with 1 to 6 kill death ratio, but this is what causes frustration. So forget the cache. Let them take the cache 10 times and move onto next map.

These new sets of idea could introduce new wind of gameplay style and possibly have fun playing Insurgency mode instead of frustrating you! These type of maneuver is also much more realistic so it should contribute to reduce unrealistic behavior.
I Hope you guys try this out!

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remember, play like an insurgent..

(run away ****less)

(Though i wish we had some more tricks up our sleeves.... I feel like we lack in the "Ambush and kill them" department..)

(i mean sure, tanks, we shouldn't be able to get, but for some reason i don't see many IFV"s going down either)

Let them take the cache 10 times and move onto next map.

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Good points. Just to clear this up. Defend cache when theres no IFV right? When they come for it infantry only i'd defend the hell out of it.

Also: The not dying the entire round could be fun, but dont forget that one advantage the insurgents have is the no-death tickets. The other side have it. So if you can get 2 or even 1 to go down with you in a fire-fight I'd sometimes just do it.

Also: most of the times the APC's or IFV's are so not tactical (just sit in 1 place) that its easy to sneak up to and place an IED or RPG in the rear.

You mean...I should...use....non conventional tactics while playing as an insurgent?......


You know that game boggle? You just did that to my mind.

[R-COM]cyberzomby wrote:Good points. Just to clear this up. Defend cache when theres no IFV right? When they come for it infantry only i'd defend the hell out of it.

Also: The not dying the entire round could be fun, but dont forget that one advantage the insurgents have is the no-death tickets. The other side have it. So if you can get 2 or even 1 to go down with you in a fire-fight I'd sometimes just do it.

Also: most of the times the APC's or IFV's are so not tactical (just sit in 1 place) that its easy to sneak up to and place an IED or RPG in the rear.

Well Blue force eventually will win though. Because They can move rally very quickly, and place it with out building. Some one will eventually come behind frontline and take out hideout near blue cache, and cache is lost.
Opposing player maybe do human wave tactic at begining since they can put rally very close to objective which give them no hard time even if they get death.
Defending cache will pull you back into routine frustration of 'blue force shoots you with great accuracy, barrage of incendiary grenade, mission accomplished'. Instead, if they want cache so much just give them what they want. What a swell time they gona have blowing up cache after another without any resistance. No, it is only fun when Insurgent side player fires back. But when Insurgent side player fires back head to head result is most likely not fun. I think it's just how this game is made. So work around it.

insurgents are overpowered

If the goal is not to die at all costs you can just hide in a building all game and you will succed. Most of your points are good tactical rules, run away from overwhelming power etc. but number 4 is pretty stupid if you play to win. Also, the game will be pretty boring if you dont hang around the cache as you will miss most of the action.

If you want to succed as insurgents you just have to play to the strenght of the faction. Hide in CQB ambushes. Use the ak74u in full auto. Steal the enemies kits and snipe them from afar, most blues are very arrogant and does not take cover very often. Avoid the apc´s. You defend so you can pick the place to fight. Flank the enemy. Use more solo tactics than normal. Guard you kills, most blues gets revived. Use technicals to quickly kill lots of blues but be very mobile. Hideouts are necessary but the job can be tasked to 1 dedicated squad.

IED's ftw, ambushes ftw, I racked up 3 hummers and 12 soldiers, with CQB IED's put them in a close quarter alittle hided where the soliders are bound to go, and you rack up kills. and then also the tickets to the Blufor.

Moved to the PR In-Game Tactics and Strategies section.

Regards,
[R-MOD]Tirak

I love playing with this style very much and I think its very enjoyable and immersive, playing with this style of not dying

JKRMAUI wrote:You mean...I should...use....non conventional tactics while playing as an insurgent?......

You know that game boggle? You just did that to my mind.

Well, I think it's a good idea to highlight it to the players. Some Insurgents do face the enemy head-on. Sometimes they're successful, but usually they all perish and grant the enemy intel points.

At the end of the day, it's just a game, so you should have some freedom to do what you want with your squad within reason, but if all 32 are just going into the field and being sliced up by a coordinated armor squad . . . Maybe they like the black spawn screen.

This is a good reminder of what Insurgents should do, doing what they're best at. But some bold squads will step up, all six carrying IEDs, sneak up on a distracted APC and blow the vehicle to bits. That's rewarding, fun and productive for the Insurgents.

So the proper tactics and strategies all depend on the situation. But I'm telling you what you already know.

I think the main point of this whole thread is "Discover a new way to play Insurgency mode"

We all know the way it gets played normally. I think this is a great thread to discuss other ways to play.

TheLean wrote:If the goal is not to die at all costs you can just hide in a building all game and you will succed.

They cant find the caches if they cant find you

sometimes, if you build a hideout in a irrelevant place and pretend that there is a cache at that location. then your goal becomes to kill as many blufor as possible and waste as much time as possible as the blufor search the irrelevant location for a cache that doesn't currently exist.

Very nice "fun" guide which more people should read.

And i´m agreeing with cyberzomby, if US try to move in CQC without veichle support, they are quite easy to pick without AKS-74u.

But what i think is most annoying thing on INS maps is the lack of Field Dressing and Medics.
And of course the lack of Teamwork which i find &%#)%%#"(/¤?¤ in a Teamwork Mod.

Edit. And i love playing sneaky.

I go alone as sapper. Try to find the most roads that are most used by the enemy, find some good cover & escape routs then plant the mine, grenade traps close to the buildings where the infantry might walk by and just wait there.

I dont open fire upon 1 enemy that walks on that street cus i never know whats coming behind him, and if i cant kill him he will hide and call for help.

So yeah, i choose a road that is frequently used by the enemy and il ambush it

Of course it dosent work always, i woke up with 4 squads walking on the road i was at once, at least i scared them, got few of them with the grenade traps and from a APC explosion cus of the mine, but i was alone and got killed fast. But to take down so many alone you need to wait first, scout the area, and plant traps where you are 100% sure that they will fall in ur traps.

Aaah, sneaky gameplay, hehe love that. Really like to sneak behind enemy lines on every map, go lonewolf-solo like with rifleman/medic kit.

You get a new feeling of being alive in PR since there is no RP and you just walked/sneaked/crouched between enemy armour/sqds for 25 min.

But then you find a FB and take it out, run away asap cuz the enemy will rebuild it - you help your team since at least 1 SDQ is busy looking for you. But you are already completely somewhere else.


Love sneaky gameplay in PR because it just works !

I tried it on Fallujah as US, will try the same as INS.
It's more fun for me to sneak around, an enemy SQD just behind the covering wall, adrenaline push ftw. When I play like this I don't care about the flags/caches, as long as I feel like Sam Fisher.

I think the funnest way to play insurgency is playing as a convoy of some sort.

Bomb car convoy, Technical convoy, hell even a motorcycle convoy. When you come driving at a set of armor pieces and you're 3-4 bomb cars deep, they tend to get a little worried and start running. Or maybe escort big red with a couple technicals.

Ran a technical convoy the other day and we racked up nearly 50 kills in that round. First 2 minutes of the round we came across 3 rovers that the brits were dumb enough to have unmanned while searching for the cache. We quickly killed about 9 people in that little fight.

Convoys are highly effective and a fun way of playing insurgency.