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Flares and Chaff

Posted: 2009-04-27 21:32
by cfschris
Suggestion- adding Chaff along with flares to aircraft.

Seeing as how the AIM-120 is already implemented (a radar guided missile), throwing it off by dispensing flares is a bit unrealistic. So, I suggest that chaff be added to aircraft. I believe theres separate tones for radar locks and heat seeking locks (is there even such a thing as a heat seeking lock tone?). With these separate tones, the pilot of the aircraft will have to punch out the according counter-measure. Sound good?

Re: Flares and Chaff

Posted: 2009-04-27 22:21
by Alex6714
The only 2 target objects are Heat and Laser, Unique being for wire guided.

Laser is as you guessed, mavericks, hellfires etc and the soflams business.

That leaves us with heat, just heat. All air to air missiles use heat, so not to lock onto ground stuff obviously. Flares have a heat object on them to distract. You just have to think as flares as a substitute for chaff in game, and the various jamming equipment.

Re: Flares and Chaff

Posted: 2009-04-27 23:31
by McBumLuv
Well, perhaps not possible to give it a seperate tone, but would it be possible to add chaff as a visual effect in this case to compensate for it? IE, when you flare, you also dispense chaff?

Re: Flares and Chaff

Posted: 2009-04-27 23:53
by LithiumFox
McLuv wrote:Well, perhaps not possible to give it a seperate tone, but would it be possible to add chaff as a visual effect in this case to compensate for it? IE, when you flare, you also dispense chaff?
you know what? I think pilots should be given flare guns... > > And maybe even squad leaders... =) For certain reasons involving trickery... ^_^ and maybe it could also blind people.... (i'm talking about if we ever get kashan night and maybe another night map finished)

Re: Flares and Chaff

Posted: 2009-04-28 00:12
by McBumLuv
Lithium, if any of your posts ever made any sense or progression, I'm afraid I'd believe that someone had hacked into your account and was trying to destroy your plan to enslave the world through confusion at reading some of your posts.

... Good old lithium :mrgreen:

Re: Flares and Chaff

Posted: 2009-04-28 02:28
by cfschris
Colonelcool125 wrote:Battleracer.

Flare guns rock.
So true :D

On topic, is it one of them evil impossible things of hardcodedness to add a new type of target box into the engine? Or have one target box have the quality of two (radar bouncing AND heat emitting)? I just think it's silly to have radar guided missiles that can be countered with flares :p

Re: Flares and Chaff

Posted: 2009-04-28 08:51
by Alex6714
Well in game everything is heat guided. As far as I know it is impossible to make a new one.

Re: Flares and Chaff

Posted: 2009-04-28 08:59
by LithiumFox
Alex6714 wrote:Well in game everything is heat guided. As far as I know it is impossible to make a new one.
you could probably make it so the flares don't effect the radar guided...

=) similar to obtaining a lock =)

Re: Flares and Chaff

Posted: 2009-04-28 09:02
by Howlin_mad_murdock
dont flares and chaff drop in the same bundle (in lomac they do), somone was telling me that it was because its hard to tell the difference between a radar guided missle and a heatseeking one (im not too sure so if any pilots could correct me that woooooould be coo)

Re: Flares and Chaff

Posted: 2009-04-28 09:22
by CAS_117
LithiumFox wrote:you could probably make it so the flares don't effect the radar guided...

=) similar to obtaining a lock =)
We don't have radar.

Re: Flares and Chaff

Posted: 2009-04-28 10:40
by TempesT
I don't think it is necessary for the game to add in chaff systems. Over complication perhaps.

It would be cool though.

Re: Flares and Chaff

Posted: 2009-04-28 13:51
by cfschris
TempesT wrote:I don't think it is necessary for the game to add in chaff systems. Over complication perhaps.

It would be cool though.
Over COMPLICATION?! This is PR sonny! Every modern military aircraft has both flare and chaff systems!

Re: Flares and Chaff

Posted: 2009-04-28 13:59
by Alex6714
Sigh. The point is, any chaff would be visual, thats it. It would have absolutely no purpose at all.

Re: Flares and Chaff

Posted: 2009-04-28 14:13
by cfschris
Alex6714 wrote:Sigh. The point is, any chaff would be visual, thats it. It would have absolutely no purpose at all.
We've established that. What we're talking about now is adding a new class of lockbox, one which can only be locked by AIM-120s and their equivalents :)

I mean seriously, don't think like it's so impossible to add new things. Look at the radar interface concept- sounds impossible, no? But it's been coded and is in testing! Never say never!

Re: Flares and Chaff

Posted: 2009-04-28 14:18
by Alex6714
cfschris wrote:We've established that. What we're talking about now is adding a new class of lockbox, one which can only be locked by AIM-120s and their equivalents :)

I mean seriously, don't think like it's so impossible to add new things. Look at the radar interface concept- sounds impossible, no? But it's been coded and is in testing! Never say never!
Yeah but new target boxes are in the league of fastropes and complete vehicle stabilisation.


For example the radar is just a very cleverly designed system coded by Cas covered by an authentic looking hud. It still uses the old heat system and such, but it looks and acts a bit like radar.

If only we were on 2142... Vehicle stabilsation and a few more target types available. :)