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- BLUFOR players are getting punished for killing Civilians on Ropes and when they have their medic bag/epipen out, which is not supposed to happen. Needs investigation.

[R-COM]Cpl.Small wrote:In RL civies may very well help Insurgents so why should the bag be taken out? You wouldn't shoot them in RL don't do it in-game simples

Mr. Hader wrote:If they help the terrorists- they are terrorists. fair game

Part. II WOUNDED, SICK AND SHIPWRECKED

Section I : General Protection

Art 8. Terminology

For the purposes of this Protocol:
a) "Wounded" and "sick" mean persons, whether military or civilian, who, because of trauma, disease or other physical or mental disorder or disability, are in need of medical assistance or care and who refrain from any act of hostility. These terms also cover maternity cases, new-born babies and other persons who may be in need of immediate medical assistance or care, such as the infirm or expectant mothers, and who refrain from any act of hostility;

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c) "Medical personnel" means those persons assigned, by a Party to the conflict, exclusively to the medical purposes enumerated under e) or to the administration of medical units or to the operation or administration of medical transports. Such assignments may be either permanent or
temporary. The term includes:

i) medical personnel of a Party to the conflict, whether military or civilian, including those described in the First and Second Conventions, and those assigned to civil defence organizations;

ii) medical personnel of national Red Cross (Red Crescent, Red Lion and Sun) Societies and other national voluntary aid societies duly recognized and authorized by a Party to the conflict;

iii) medical personnel or medical units or medical transports described in Article 9, paragraph 2.

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e) "Medical units" means establishments and other units, whether military or civilian, organized for medical purposes, namely the search for, collection, transportation, diagnosis or treatment - including first-aid treatment - of the wounded, sick and shipwrecked, or for the prevention of disease. The term includes for example, hospitals and other similar units, blood transfusion centres, preventive medicine centres and institutes, medical depots and the medical and pharmaceutical stores of such units. Medical units may be fixed or mobile, permanent or temporary;

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Art 9. Field of application

1. This Part, the provisions of which are intended to ameliorate the condition of the wounded, sick and shipwrecked, shall apply to all those affected by a situation referred to in Article 1, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, sex, language, religion or belief political or other opinion, national or social origin, wealth, birth or other status, or on any other similar criteria.

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Art 10 Protection and care

1. All the wounded, sick and shipwrecked, to whichever Party they belong, shall be respected and protected.

2. In all circumstances they shall be treated humanely and shall receive, to the fullest extent practicable and with the least possible delay, the medical care and attention required by their condition. There shall be no distinction among them founded on any grounds other than medical ones.


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Art 15. Protection of civilian medical and religious personnel

1. Civilian medical personnel shall be respected and protected.

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Art 16. General protection of medical duties

1. Under no circumstances shall any person be punished for carrying out medical activities compatible with medical ethics, regardless of the person benefiting therefrom.

Ace42 wrote:O'rly? Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol I), 8 June 1977. says otherwise.

R.J.Travis wrote:Geneva Conventions does not apply to terrorist shot'em where they stand.

and there not civis anymore in 0.85

Art 16. General protection of medical duties

1. Under no circumstances shall any person be punished for carrying out medical activities compatible with medical ethics, regardless of the person benefiting therefrom.

R.J.Travis wrote:Geneva Conventions does not apply to terrorist shot'em where they stand.

Ace42 wrote:I suggest you re-read the protocols. They do not allow the signatory states to arbitrarily redefine who they do or do not apply to, much less casual internet posters; and they expressly accept non-conventional civil militias as military factions protected by the conventions.

Even if you ignore that, and suggest that Insurgents (not 'Terrorists') do not qualify as a legitimate militia; they still count as civilian entities, even if they are civilian criminals, and are thus still covered.



They are civilian collaborators, which is still civilians, otherwise there'd be no penalty for shooting them at all. This to one side, please note the final paragraph I quoted:



To me the term "any person" is pretty clear...