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Why did you guys give the AT a pistol as his only weapon? I doubt this is very realistic, but is the purpose for this balancing? Give him a M16 (or medic equivilent for all Armies) or SMG!



And whats with the 8 second grenade throw? I know this was also to balance the nade spam, but 8 seconds is steep. Maybe 4 seconds would be better?

There are some other annoyances, but I'll pass on 'em.

All in all, PRMM .3 is a great mod (favorite out of OPK, USI), but still has its flaws.

I'd like to see him get an SMG, really.

I wouldn't mind him getting the US spec ops pistol. Anything over the standard pistol.

BonafideZulu wrote:Why did you guys give the AT a pistol as his only weapon? I doubt this is very realistic, but is the purpose for this balancing? Give him a M16 (or medic equivilent for all Armies) or SMG!

It is unrealistic to give the current Anti-tank class a rifle.

If you notice, the soldier in your picture is a rifleman with a squad level light anti-tank weapon and not a dedicated anti-tank soldier.

PR is planing on implementing a light anti tank weapon as a selectable/random weapon for riflemen.

I agree with Pence. In PR the man is a dedicated AT and as such carries a number of AT rounds and a heavy weapon. And so a rifle is unrealistic.

I'd suggest that, depending on how he fares in .3, he be given a PDW or just be left to have his squad keep him safe.

I think give him a PDW like the engineer maybe a smaller PDW than the mp5 like an auto pistol or somethinh silimar and reduce his sprint to allow for how much he is carrying.

The engineer actually has an MP5 which is strictly an SMG. This ignores the MP5K type variants. Yes I know H&K have released 3 weapons called PDW but the only real PDW is the MP7. So I think the AT should get an MP7 PDW as it is a 'proper' PDW and has a weight not that much greater than a pistol and in terms of size is similar.

'[R-PUB wrote:maverick']The engineer actually has an MP5 which is strictly an SMG. This ignores the MP5K type variants. Yes I know H&K have released 3 weapons called PDW but the only real PDW is the MP7. So I think the AT should get an MP7 PDW as it is a 'proper' PDW and has a weight not that much greater than a pistol and in terms of size is similar.

But keeping on realisum, does the USMC use the MP7?

I think the PDW should be givern to pilots only but it would make the engineer an over used kit if he has an assault rifle, i could be wrong thogh.

Dang! Realism.

Well as far as I know, it isn't even the PDW of choice in NATO yet, it is competing with the FN-90 but IMHO the MP7 will win due to its better design (rotating bolt = assualt rifle technology) vs. the P90 which is far more of a dubbed down SMG.

And let us not forget this battle is occuring in the near future, and with German troops using the MP7 in Iraq, along side British SF units - it will not be long until the MP7 sees widespread usage.

But for the sake of balancing, and not all of your changes are for the sake of realism, you have to give him more than a pistol (which is pretty much useless). Maybe you should give him a SMG, or Shotgun. Giving him a pistol in BF2 is like handing him a BB gun.

And even with all the AT ammo the guy has, he still needs multiple hits to total a tank with a Javelin, which I have seen on some channel (History or Discovery) were it can pulverize a modern tank in one hit. I know you are not going to change this because of balancing, which is a good thing, but there is much to be desired.

So like I said...give him a PDW = an MP7

With an EOtech sight
http://realitymod.com/forum/t4815-weapo ... k-mp7.html
Just like that.

Now I knew there was a reason I was so pushy on the MP7 - I love that model

more missiles or a nice SMG...
maybe a very tiny one...

The antitank crew need a rifle.

Duke-Nukem wrote:The antitank crew need a rifle.

Exactly thats why we have suggested them and the engineer and anti tank get a MP7.
http://realitymod.com/forum/t4815-we...hampk-mp7.html
Just like that one.

BonafideZulu wrote:Why did you guys give the AT a pistol as his only weapon? I doubt this is very realistic, but is the purpose for this balancing? Give him a M16 (or medic equivilent for all Armies) or SMG!

Yes, it is realistic, but it is also balanced with what we are trying to accomplish with PR; improved teamplay. And having to rely on your fellow Soldiers/Sailors/Airmen/Marines for support is reality. If the anti-tank class gets a shoulder-launched, anti-tank guided missile and a rifle that he can switch to in under a second, what incentive is there to play any other class? And since if we do that the sniper would then be the only class without an automatic weapon, should we then give them an assault rifle/carbine or machine-pistol, too? Can't wait to hear the "feedback" about that.

PR is going by this table of organization and equipment for its anti-armor class, taken from the Intro to MOS 0351 (Anti-Tank Assaultman) student handout published by the USMC School of Infantry at Camp Lejeune, which can be found here

c. Equipment Organic to the Assault Section. In addition to the personal equipment and mission essential load that an Assault man may have to carry, there are specific items that can also be assigned to that individual.

(1) Section Leader. The section leader is equipped with:

(a) One lensatic compass.

(b) Technical Manual number 08673A-10/1.

(c) Binoculars.

(d) M-7 or M-9 Bayonet.

(e) M16A2 rifle.

(2) Gunners. Each of the six SMAW gunners within the section will be equipped with:

(a) Telescopic sight.

(b) MK153 SMAW.

(c) Two SMAW rockets.

(d) M9 9mm pistol.

(e) K-bar.

(3) A-Gunners. Each of the six A-gunners/ammo men will be equipped with:

(a) Two SMAW rockets.

(b) M16A2 rifle.

(c) M-7 or M-9 bayonet.

Does every unit go by this TO&E? No. One Marine has told us that the assaultmen he work with have a different standard operating procedure and that both team-members carry an M16 series rifle. Prior to this, three other Marines, all infantry, stated to us and in open forums that the assaultmen they worked with carried only sidearms. Is the rifle SOP now true for the entire Marine Corps? We don't know. All of the photographs we've sifted through on the USMC's own image gallery (high-res, good references) indicate that the majority of assaultmen don't carry the M16 in addition to the SMAW, which agrees with the TM found on the USMC School of Infantry website. Once again, is the assault team SMAW gunner having only a sidearm realistic? Yes. Does every unit go by the TM TO&E? No.

As stated before by Pence, your photograph shows a rifleman carrying an M136 (AT-4), which is a single-shot, disposable anti-armor weapon carried by a few men in each rifle squad as a measure against an armored threat or other hardened-target. They're meant to be fired in volleys; several launchers at a time. And, as said, we do plan to include weapons of that type as options or random items in the rifleman classes. They are not the weapons of "full-time" anti-tank specialists.

Forget your balance, I want realism,
Oh my what's that in his hand, no not the huge as javelin, what is that in his other hand!?

Stop making excuses and face it, you are favoring some distorted blance/teamwork orientation instead of the realism orientation the name of the mod suggests. I mean look at everyone making suggestions for mp7s and smgs without any consideration to how realistic it would be. It's almost funny, but mostly it's just sad.

Profe wrote:Forget your balance, I want realism

Oh my what's that in his hand, no not the huge as javelin, what is that in his other hand!?

Stop making excuses and face it, you are favoring some distorted blance/teamwork orientation instead of the realism orientation the name of the mod suggests. I mean look at everyone making suggestions for mp7s and smgs without any consideration to how realistic it would be. It's almost funny, but mostly it's just sad.

So because you found a picture of a Marine carrying a Javelin and an M16, you think all Marines with MOS 0351 automatically get an assault rifle and an anti-tank weapon, despite what actual US Marines have stated on the forum and what is printed in the MOS 0351 student handout?

Giving every single Assaultman an M16 and a Javelin is not realistic.

'[R-PUB wrote:Cerberus']So because you found a picture of a Marine carrying a Javelin and an M16, you think all Marines with MOS 0351 automatically get an assault rifle and an anti-tank weapon, despite what actual US Marines have stated on the forum and what is printed in the MOS 0351 student handout?

Giving every single Assaultman an M16 and a Javelin is not realistic.

Neither is giving every single Assaultman a M9 with a SRAW.