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So the next patch will, wait... DECREASE AK-47 accuracy?

Guys, seriously... it's already 10 times worse than it really is...

YouTube - AK47 M16 Comparison - part 1
M16 vs. AK-47...

M16 shows more accuracy, but, not by nearly the factor it's given in PR and other games... plus, a single round from an AK penetrates much better... plus, you have to factor in the different ammo types... using heavier, more penetrating M16 ammo, you will lose accuracy, using lighter, less penetrating AK-47 ammo, you will gain accuracy.

Pay attention to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TfoWHOTSvs

I use a similar setup, and the accuracy he is describing is just below 2 MOA, which is not impossible for an AK to achieve... I get close, myself, and I have a crappy AK...nothing that's available in Europe/middle east, like Yugos, Hungarians, Norincos, etc etc...

But anyway... yes, the M-16 is more accurate, but the accuracy of the AK in PR and most other games is HORRIBLY wrong... soldier fatigue/nervousness etc etc included.

The fact of the matter is that within 100 yards, it's negligible on a human sized target, out to 200 yards, barely noticeable, and at 300 yards it starts to matter more and more compared to the m-16/m-4 etc etc... then factor in various barrel lengths, optic configurations, ammo, etc... the case for making the AK that much less accurate is pretty weak until you get to 300+ yards.

its fine, I was sniping snipers off of USMC main on fallujah the other day, 3 seconds settle time and its bang on the money.

Dr2B Rudd wrote:its fine, I was sniping snipers off of USMC main on fallujah the other day, 3 seconds settle time and its bang on the money.

It'll be fine when you can get a grouping even half as good as either of those youtube videos at 100 yards with the same shot delay used in the videos ( < 1 second)

AK is the freaking sniper rifle dude.

Zimmer wrote:AK is the freaking sniper rifle dude.

I guess I'm gonna have to make a damned PR video to show you what I'm talking about.

the second youtube link seems to have been removed.

i've never shot an ak47, but from what i've understood, ammo has a noticeable effect on grouping. i've also understood that there's a slight difference comparing top shelf ammunition in western stores through a gun you might own.

now visualize maltreated ak47s with old surplus or leftover ammunition from the afghan war ;P

JKJudgeX wrote:It'll be fine when you can get a grouping even half as good as either of those youtube videos at 100 yards with the same shot delay used in the videos ( < 1 second)

Deviation in BF engine games is handled by several variables. Upping the AK-47's base deviation (it's best level of accuracy), along with increasing the prone multiplier would make it harder to "snipe" with it - and that would let you LOWER the fire-dev increments so that groupings are tighter.

AK-47 in 0.856 has the exact same deviation values as every other assault rifle in the entire game.

In 0.86 will be altered, as it is not accurate to the real world.

That answer your question?

Well in real life AK-47s dont have that much range, they use a higher calibre round meaning the bullet doesnt go as far. AKs is a beast at close range, does more damage, it doesnt need the range.

In PR the ak's do a lot more damage than all the NATO guns. Yes they may be inaccurate but you shouldn't be engaging enemies out to 300 metres or so. Besides, PR != RL, in PR the distances are smaller and so everything has to be scaled down a bit. Also, if you use the AK47 up close and personal it completely rips them to shreds.

Insurgents are strong at ambushes + really quite **** at firefights. If you want to be effective on insurgency then get a couple of friends and wait for a nice convoy to come into your killzone.

hiberNative wrote:the second youtube link seems to have been removed.

i've never shot an ak47, but from what i've understood, ammo has a noticeable effect on grouping. i've also understood that there's a slight difference comparing top shelf ammunition in western stores through a gun you might own.

now visualize maltreated ak47s with old surplus or leftover ammunition from the afghan war ;P

Right, but it's a misconception that insurgents use all beat up, inferior weaponry... people are underestimating the number of post-cold-war era Soviet Bloc weapons STILL IN COSMOLINE. These are the guns that these guys are getting, still importing, still cracking open the wooden boxes from 20+ years ago...

And there are still weapons being manufactured and moved in, too, constantly... it's not that difficult to get good, new weapons on the cheap in the middle East/Africa/etc... borders are not patrolled well.

The AK 47 is inacurate when fired automatically... it's the same in PR, just single shot, with spacing between shots and you'll be fine

Maybe in afghanistan where the taliban are more organised but I gather that in Iraq there is no obvious or competent chain of command and no thorough training.

[R-COM]Cpl.Small wrote:The AK 47 is inacurate when fired automatically... it's the same in PR, just single shot, with spacing between shots and you'll be fine

The spacing required between shots = far too great.

Cheditor wrote:Well in real life AK-47s dont have that much range, they use a higher calibre round meaning the bullet doesnt go as far.

That is a gross oversimplification of the numerous different factors involving ballistic trajectory. By that argument, battleships using MASSIVE rounds would barely be able to hit people armed with thrown darts.

Muzzle-velocity, rifling, MOA, barrel-harmonics, etc all have significant effect on range. Now write "I must not conflate ballistic properties with the projectile's dynamics" x20 and promise not to do it again

The m-16 uses the 5.56 and this goes futher than the 7.(cant remember the last bit) round the AK-47 uses. But it is not as powerful. This is one reason the M468 is in production, has range and power.

impressive:

i want to rub these videos in the face of the fanboys that keep linking the picatinny comparison.

*cough* Some of the insurgents had police training and previous war experience (yes an non-NATO soldier can actually survive firefights)

about the AK being a sniper....just reduce the range instead of overall accuracy. I mean by that logic then you should nerf the PKM as in undeployed mode you can sniper soldiers at 400 meters (done it yesterday in a standing position from the Archway rooftop firing accidentally at a friendly in a window in the big building south of it that has a underground complex beneath it, TKing him in the process)

JKJudgeX wrote:The spacing required between shots = far too great.

No it isn't, I'd like to se you fire the AK 47 with <1 second spacings for a whole magazine, see how your shoulder feels

Dr2B Rudd wrote:its fine, I was sniping snipers off of USMC main on fallujah the other day, 3 seconds settle time and its bang on the money.

seems that going after all your posts you are a freaking uber pro with unhuman powers and where life in PR-nights is too easy for you as you sit there smoking a cigar and drinking a beer and kill everyone now with closed eyes...

as you need more and more things that make a little PR soldiers life harder...

You are kinda my hero now you know
(sry for offtopic)