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Dug out 50cal's

Posted: 2009-05-29 09:37
by RHYS4190
Well iv noticed your new 50cal dug out For 0.856 they look cool, But Iv also noticed that no one uses them very much on the servers.

One of the reasons i think this is because they aren’t practically useful to the team or the players, Usually the engagement range for Pr is 100 meters plus at that range you can't see very well what your shotting at let alone hit the basted when your on the 50cal, of course you will say the 50cal is suppose to be a suppression weapon, but thing is with suppression in this game unless it very accurate it does not work, the fire has to be right on there heads other wise they will just shrug it off and shot you. And you can't do that the way the 50 is at the moment it to inaccurate due to it lack of iron sights.

What im suggesting is you put the iron sights and zoom back on the 50cal, that will make more accurate better for suppression and make it very viable, the player will benefit from there protection It will improve game play.

I think you under stand what im saying, Because your planing to put a zoom on the LMG's for the some reasons I believe.

well think about what iv been saying and make your own decision.

Re: Dug out 50cal's

Posted: 2009-05-29 09:39
by alexaus
only thing to fix MG would be improve ARC of fire as in make it point up and down better

Re: Dug out 50cal's

Posted: 2009-05-29 09:41
by Adetter
The 50 cals are usefull if you got a team who uses Teamwork...............Once i played,we made a FB,and put a 50 Cal that was aiming at bridge,if we hadnt had that 50 cal the Insurgents could just drived over bridge and killed us.............Sorry if i wrote something wrong,....I probably did.

Re: Dug out 50cal's

Posted: 2009-05-29 09:42
by Royal_marine_machine
kk...

Suppresion doesn't have to be right on their head with a .50 cal! with a .50 cal if it hits the cover around them they are suppresed, but I do think the arcs need to be fixed...

Re: Dug out 50cal's

Posted: 2009-05-29 09:56
by RHYS4190
Royal_marine_machine wrote:kk...

Suppresion doesn't have to be right on their head with a .50 cal! with a .50 cal if it hits the cover around them they are suppresed, but I do think the arcs need to be fixed...
That's what i mean by it when i say it got to be right on there heads, it needs to be close to them else it does not work,

Re: Dug out 50cal's

Posted: 2009-05-29 10:02
by Royal_marine_machine
Well obviously, If I saw a .50 Call shooting at someone else, I wouldn't be afraid to fire back, the people we are play as are very well trained soldiers, and therefore part of the fear has gone about them dieing, they've already dealt with that, however whn they start shooting at the .50 cal the .50 cal can sweep round and shoot at them.

Also, this just means you need more than one person i.e teamwork to keep a whole squad suprressed, as just a .50 cal can't do it by itself.

Re: Dug out 50cal's

Posted: 2009-05-29 10:17
by Cheditor
The thing is with the 50.cal you have a high rate of fire and can shoot at very long ranges. As adetter said you need team work, so when occupying a FoB you need someone to maybe help spot for you. In real life 50.cals tend to have sights with them, but this could be a bit over kill ingame so a spotter is just as good.

Re: Dug out 50cal's

Posted: 2009-05-29 10:21
by alexaus
well i geuss theyre built as DEfence for the FB not Automatic Sniperrifles

Re: Dug out 50cal's

Posted: 2009-05-29 10:27
by RHYS4190
Royal_marine_machine wrote:Well obviously, If I saw a .50 Call shooting at someone else, I wouldn't be afraid to fire back, the people we are play as are very well trained soldiers, and therefore part of the fear has gone about them dieing, they've already dealt with that, however whn they start shooting at the .50 cal the .50 cal can sweep round and shoot at them.

Also, this just means you need more than one person i.e teamwork to keep a whole squad suprressed, as just a .50 cal can't do it by itself.
But your not afraid of the dug out 50cal's there not dangerous enough to be considered much of a threat not compared to the mounted vehicle 50cals that have the iron sights and the little zoom.

The 50cal dug out gunners need to be able to acquire targets and engage them with reasonable accuracy in order to keep there heads down and fulfil there peropus,

Re: Dug out 50cal's

Posted: 2009-05-29 10:31
by Tartantyco
-The .50 cal emplacements are best used as area denial weapons. For instance, in 0.8 when the west side of EJOD was still accessible you could cut of MEC reinforcements to the city by building a firebase up there and .50 cals covering the area between North Desert(Or whatever) and Gardens and getting some AT support up there. MEC would have to engage the FOB from the north or go around east while the US had a strong entrenched position covering the city and providing support for squads advancing on North Desert.

-On Kashan you can build a firebase south of the bunker complex up in the hills to do pretty much the same thing. I tihnk my squad took out 3-4 tanks, some APCs, 2-3 choppers, a few supply trucks, loads of infantry, and effectively cut off the MEC forces from the Bunker complex with a .50 cal emplacement, a .50 cal humvee, an AA emplacement and a HAT kit.

Re: Dug out 50cal's

Posted: 2009-05-29 10:35
by Royal_marine_machine
The .50 cals can do alot fo damamge if someone who can use them is on it.

They are for Defending the FB, or for firing from the FB, they arn't aggresive weapons!

Re: Dug out 50cal's

Posted: 2009-05-29 10:37
by RHYS4190
flame wars lol this debate is getting hot :D ,

Well don't you think you could protect a area better with the 50cal on the Humvee or the 50 in the dug out.

me id go with the 50cal humvee it got the iron sight so i have better accuricy and i can put down a better base of fire on the enemy, the dug out just can't compete that the problem it needs to be better it needs to be scary people need to respect it as they should it a 50cal it supposed to be respected it been around for ever and is the longest serving machine gun around.

That why i think the 50cal dug outs need to be improved To make them better able to deny a area to the enemy.

Yeah and the 50cal's dug out are defensive but they would be able to defend the fire base a lot better if they had the sights,

Re: Dug out 50cal's

Posted: 2009-05-29 10:39
by Vege
People have been talking about binos on 50cal as a seperate "weapon" so you could zoom but not shoot at the same time.
Imho this would be a thing that would help allot.

Re: Dug out 50cal's

Posted: 2009-05-29 10:52
by RHYS4190
yeah i heard about that, but would it encourage people to use the 50cal dug out's, opposed to just using 50cal humvee that the thing : /.

Re: Dug out 50cal's

Posted: 2009-05-29 11:01
by Royal_marine_machine
if they had sights they would be misused.

WHy not just use your own binoculars and lie down in the thing? lol

Re: Dug out 50cal's

Posted: 2009-05-29 11:01
by R.J.Travis
Vege wrote:People have been talking about binos on 50cal as a seperate "weapon" so you could zoom but not shoot at the same time.
Imho this would be a thing that would help allot.
This would no longer really help.

Why what do you mean it wont help?

Well they have removed the aim helper cross hair in them and now they can't really help you aim better.

you could still add this as a tank gunner spotting potion.

Re: Dug out 50cal's

Posted: 2009-05-29 11:02
by RHYS4190
Royal_marine_machine wrote:if they had sights they would be misused.

WHy not just use your own binoculars and lie down in the thing? lol
But then you have to jump back on the gun to shot, and then there a delay when you need to shot.

Re: Dug out 50cal's

Posted: 2009-05-29 11:05
by Cheditor
R.J.Travis wrote:This would no longer really help.

Why what do you mean it wont help?

Well they have removed the aim helper cross hair in them and now they can't really help you aim better.

you could still add this as a tank gunner spotting potion.
He means to spot enemy, what the thread is about actually seeing the enemy so you can effectivley bring the weapons to bear.

Re: Dug out 50cal's

Posted: 2009-05-29 11:07
by Royal_marine_machine
If you stay next to the .50 cal the delay is the time it takes to press the E button.

Re: Dug out 50cal's

Posted: 2009-05-29 11:17
by CareBear
^ no its 3 seconds,

and erm whomever is saying that the dugout 50. 's need sights like the hummers, well ermm, they do have iron sights..... so i have no idea what your on about there....