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can dev's add a poll please i have no idea how.



Im after some community opinions what do you think is more effective for Close air support sorties jets or choppers.

both have Positive attributes, let go over them


Jets have speed and manoverability , it can fly in and complete it mission in the most hostile environment and then zoom back out of harms way. making it extremely difficult to shot down with any thing but SAM's,

It Bombs also are extremely effective when used correctly they have a punch that choopers do not posses.

But this Weapon comes at a cost it is extremely difficult to fly jets and land them, it is there for extremely temperamentally to fly them requiring much skill in order to pilot, due to in temperamental ness meany planes are lost simply to flight accidents,

And jet's have very little presence on the battle field after they have made there run they must return to base in order to rearm leaving there troops with out air cover in the mean time.


Attack choppers have long staying power and is extremely easy to fly and land them, there weapon's how ever lack the fire power of the jets though they make it with precision, with a competent team and gunner you can shot a hell fire straight into the lap of foes limiting the risk of friendly fire .,

There gatling gun's also add a whole new level with air cover, they can fire 35mm to great effect devastating enemy troop concentrations, Entire battles can be one and lost due to there presence,


So what do you think is the best, what would you proffer to answer your call for air support

Jets indeed.Although they are less reliable from a grunt's perspective,if the team is communicative,and pilot is half decent,he can finish off the target in a second run even if he missed in the first.Second they are fast,all they need is 30 seconds-1 minute to position themselves for attack at max,from one corner to the other...

Of course i only compared kashan 32 vs. kashan 64,an a-10 would have no effect on muttrah,karbala and such city maps,but would own everything on the ground on maps like qwai,barracuda,jabbal,if unopposed by enemy jets.

If the plane and ground units work together effectively , keeping an eye on AA and such , then its extremely effective and pounding enemy firing points and armour.

The heli is 2nd best as even though it can be more effective at killing infantry it tends to take damage easily and is less maneuverable.

i am going to have to say a heli. a because when i play i am the infantry. i have to say that having a heli near by does make you feel so much better. while a jet there is a higher chance of hitting you

Agree with godofmymum, hearing that heli hovering way up there is more reassuring than a jet, as the chopper is almost certain to see any enemy around you. That is, if you're in contact with the heli and not a rambo pilot.

Since a heli has a designated gunner, it can spot if the area it is going to shoot at has any friendlies nearby, and can shoot more precisley than a jet, for armor it has hellfires(or equivalent) , it is easier to handle than a jet etc.
I'd say a heli is better.

helicopters.

- doesn't have to show it's behind when it's flying away since it can hover and strafe areas.
- 1 spotter, 1 pilot
- can discover and intercept enemies easier cause of the spotter's downward view and firing capabilities.
- more (guided) missiles
- is not as dependent on laser targeting from infantry, although it helps its work.

attack helicopters were the most important vehicle asset on vbf2, and that is the case in pr too, imo.

IRL, they just fulfil different roles. But in PR, we see a more obvious link between Jets and Helis.
I would say Jets are 'better', since they can effectively strike many times beyond visual range, while helis must risk confrontation.
This leaves Helis as potentially the most vulnerable unit in the game, as it is vulnerable to all unit types.

In spite of their inferiority, they also are subject to the same Heavy Asset Spawn time as Jets, yet are more vulnerable.

Attach helicopters do carry more anti-armour munitions, yet the jets load outs are more diverse and versatile. Jet's cannons are not subject to 'bullet drop', so are arguably more accurate.

Helis main advantage over Jets is the option (however dangerous) of independent operation, locating and destroying ground vehicles and other helicopters. It is not impossible to operate as such in a Jet, but it is harder due to generally higher altitudes and speeds.

Helicopters can better support ground forces by providing a consistent presence for ground forces, as well as fly escort missions; such as Operation Barracuda, where the Huey CVR7 can move in formation and observe Transport formations and respond to incoming fire.


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Helicopters and Jets both have there uses. Helicopter however I find to be more reliable when fighting against both infantry and hordes of tanks. A attack chopper without a gunner is still effective as it can lay waste to lines of vehicles easily. With its low level ability to fly it can spot its own enemies without having to rely on your team for spotting.

Jets are more or less dependant on spotters. The only problem with a helicopter is that they are more vulnerable to AA guns. However I'd still prefer a helicopter having my back in-game than a jet.

With a good pilot plus a good gunner. There is no hiding as either a tank, apc or infantry. It will always find you and always take you out. Also with them having AA missles. They are pretty much handy in any situation. You just have to protect them by taking out all the AA before you call on its support.

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Can you put a poll for this please?,

The attack helis and jets rarely do anything in game.

They are either too hard to control or take hours to spawn.


The cobra on muttrah always get shot down... the most i've ever seen one do was like 3 guys and one APC.... maybe a truck or two. On multiple runs, and the MEC had no AA.

Jets just kill other jets... and when theres on left it usually never gets good laser targets to attack with or it just gets shot down by the AA humvees and APCs.

If there's little to no AA threat then helicopters can do a lot of damage, but otherwise they're quite vulnerable.

Jets at the moment are often occupied by fighting/evading other jets and hence spend less time actually providing CAS, plus they're only on 2 maps and are so rarely operated effectively that they don't have much impact.

If there was AA around I'd rather be in a jet, taking advantage of speed and laser guided bombs. But in deployment there's far more opportunity for attack helicopters.

Snazz wrote:If there's little to no AA threat then helicopters can do a lot of damage, but otherwise they're quite vulnerable.

Jets at the moment are often occupied by fighting/evading other jets and hence spend less time actually providing CAS, plus they're only on 2 maps and are so rarely operated effectively that they don't have much impact.

If there was AA around I'd rather be in a jet, taking advantage of speed and laser guided bombs. But in deployment there's far more opportunity for attack helicopters.

Yeah same idea as what i said


It much be factual if two members blinded said the same thing.

^Lol yeah you posted yours just before mine so I didn't even see it.

"Great minds" think alike?

Simply I don't trust either of them. I'd rather have two more guns shooting it up personally.

Jets fly about on the same map but everytime I've seen them they are fighting a completely different battle. I think once in my whole time of playing PR seen a jet actually preform CAS twice... To minimal effect.

Haha how many commanders I've asked to talk to a Jet to get the response 'Hes ignoring me sorry." I've lased targets for them for absolutely nothing pretty much.

Helos? Attack helos I've never had use for simply cause of being an infantry pounder the most I see of them is getting spiffy and exploding in a flaming ball of death. I either A: Start laughing with the rest of my squad or B: Cursing them for wasting the tickets.

You can swear up and down on teamchat for an attack helo to ignore 'that squads' calls for assistance cause they already got there second supply chopper got shot down by the AA emplacement I'm walking to take out. (Everyone seen -that- squad. Every server gets one.)

If I had to pick I'd rather have Jets supporting me then Helos. Less likely to waste the tickets I suppose. You basically gotta have another jet kill it.

Chopper, Hell yeah!!!
Jets, Not bad!
Infantry, So Boring

i would say choppers if they get fit a little bit.

They are to hard to gun because you have to hover still in the air to get a good shoot... And thats really dangerous because of all ground assets.

Not only the aav are dangerous, i cant count the choppers witch i shoot down with the mec apc, because the high rate of fire and the ability to shoot straight in the air gives the chopper no chance. After the first bullet hits him, he is down b4 he can do any move....

o i would say i saw the better cas from jets. They most life longer then a heli.

@bsurd wrote:i would say choppers if they get fit a little bit.

They are to hard to gun because you have to hover still in the air to get a good shoot... And thats really dangerous because of all ground assets.

Not only the aav are dangerous, i cant count the choppers witch i shoot down with the mec apc, because the high rate of fire and the ability to shoot straight in the air gives the chopper no chance. After the first bullet hits him, he is down b4 he can do any move....

o i would say i saw the better cas from jets. They most life longer then a heli.

Actually you are wrong.
A good gunner with a good pilot = Undestroyable chopper
You dont need to hover for your gunner to shoot, just fly low and straight to the target and if he is a good gunner he will kill the target.
If you wanna give that a try add me on Xfire ( rudyeilabouni )
And I may gun with you sometimes.
Thanks,

ok, I am very lazy for voting withouth reading the post first, but the thread title with these options really indicated a "what do you prefer to play" poll. Infantry as Close Air Support, how is that even possible?

*Ignore my vote for infantry associated as I voted for what I prefer to play.

Infantry and armor, I'm not so good with the stick