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Graphic card issues

Posted: 2009-07-20 17:15
by Zeudon
I do not have a separate graphic card, but i have 1 in my motherboard.
Will Project reality mod lag ALOT if i play in lowest quality and resolution?
I have:

Windows XP

Processor: Intel Pentium 4

Memory: 1 GB RAM (I don't know which kind).

Graphic card(In my motherboard): ATI Radeon Xpress 2000

Hard drive: 160 GB

Monitor: Princeton '17


I really want PR mod since it looks so good.
Thanks for the help! :)

-Zeudon564

Re: Graphic card issues

Posted: 2009-07-20 20:33
by Jordanb716
I don't know about ATI GPUs but if nothing else you're not going to be able to play very well if at all with only half a gig of ram.

Re: Graphic card issues

Posted: 2009-07-20 22:06
by Zeudon
Any more help guys?

Re: Graphic card issues

Posted: 2009-07-25 13:07
by SocketMan
It will lag from the hard drive swapping in/out because of low memory,try to find
a cheap 2x1024MB DDR kit that will give your onboard (ATI 200) enough room
to produce 20-25 fps at the lowest settings/resolution.

Re: Graphic card issues

Posted: 2009-07-25 14:05
by Drunkenup
Wow, DDR RAM, thats like, 8 years old. Might wanna swap out the processor as well if it makes a low clock.

Re: Graphic card issues

Posted: 2009-07-25 15:55
by LittleFoX
You might want to buy a graphics card, you can buy a desent card for 140 euros (about 200 USD). And add some RAM, atleast to one gig. You almost have the same system as I had, it worked for me ;)

Re: Graphic card issues

Posted: 2009-07-26 08:57
by Darkpowder
Zeudon wrote:I do not have a separate graphic card, but i have 1 in my motherboard.
Will Project reality mod lag ALOT if i play in lowest quality and resolution?
I have:

Windows XP

Processor: Intel Pentium 4

Memory: 512 MB DDR SDRAM

Graphic card(In my motherboard): ATI Radeon Xpress 2000

Hard drive: 160 GB

Monitor: Princeton '17


I really want PR mod since it looks so good.
Thanks for the help! :)

-Zeudon564
How is your performance in regular vanilla BF2 mate? If you are running slow in your opinion in regular BF2, i wouldn't expect good performance in PR at all.
Type renderer.drawfps 1 in the console while in-game to find-out.
Unscientifically do you feel BF2 runs slow on medium settings.
In my opinion you should bring your system up to the level where you can run the game on Medium detail to really see the best of PR.

also to answer your question about the gfx card....
Which of the following are you running? (check your ATI control panel to find out)
HD 2900 XT (top end)
HD 2600 Pro
HD 2600 XT
2400 Pro
2400 XT (low end)
(those seem like the most likely ones).

- Mhz of your processor?
- You will need lots of memory (2GB is recommended with an on-board card)
- Try some of the well known XP tweaks too.

Overall, i would make sure your drivers are up to date, you have used some of the recommendations of the BF2 tweakguides (use with caution).
Borrow some memory (2gb) if you can or buy some 2nd hand, as you don't want to waste your money on a system that may need the upgrade.

Good luck, and report back on these points, and we might be able to help a bit more.
For an experiment i did get PR working ok on a Duron 1800 once with a 7600GS card and 1.5gb of ram, with a LOT of tweaking and overlclocks (just to show it can be done) so best of luck, especially if you are trying for experimental reasons.

Re: Graphic card issues

Posted: 2009-07-26 10:58
by 05grottim
well i had an awful computer but i still managed to play PR. Same specs as you but i think the onboard graphics card was worse. The only difference was that i had 1GB of RAM. PR wont work with 512 so maybe consider upgrading that. It doesnt have to be DDR2 or DDR3 just DDR1 is fine but uve gotta make sure u have at least a gig of RAM- then u shud be able to play on low graphics.

Re: Graphic card issues

Posted: 2009-07-27 09:06
by SocketMan
Darkpowder wrote: Which of the following are you running? (check your ATI control panel to find out)

Radeon™ Xpress 200 for Intel® Processor

I think it's this one.

There is still lots of DDR kits sold out there:


Newegg.com - G.SKILL Value 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Desktop Memory Model F1-3200PHU2-2GBNT - Desktop Memory
(cheapest 2GB)

Re: Graphic card issues

Posted: 2009-07-27 14:57
by ConscriptVirus
just a guess, but i really doubt u wont like to play PR on that system.

512mb RAM - no where near enough and kinda slow. i would say 2gb is a minimum just for PR. i remember struggling with BF2 vanilla on just 512mb of RAM.

ATI xpress 200 (im guessing thats the card you have)--very obsolete. not meant for gaming at all. its basically just an integrated graphics card that has DX9 capabilities but not for gaming.

Pentium 4 - obsolete and slow. i would say since upgrading from my old system, going from pentium 4 to a core 2 duo removed a bunch of lag that i had mainly in PR.



i had a similar system to urs (pentium 4, nvidia geforce fx 5200, 512mb ram) and i could only run BF2 vanilla @ 20-40fps on lowest setings / resolution. PR will prob be a third of that and include a lot of stuttering and also look like ****.

Re: Graphic card issues

Posted: 2009-07-28 03:15
by theiceman
LittleFoX wrote:You might want to buy a graphics card, you can buy a desent card for 140 euros (about 200 USD). And add some RAM, atleast to one gig. You almost have the same system as I had, it worked for me ;)
you can get them cheaper than that...

XFX GeForce 9600 GSO Video Card - 768MB DDR2, PCI Express 2.0, Dual Link DVI, SLI Ready PVT96OSDFH at TigerDirect.com

Re: Graphic card issues

Posted: 2009-08-09 20:31
by Zeudon
Darkpowder wrote:How is your performance in regular vanilla BF2 mate? If you are running slow in your opinion in regular BF2, i wouldn't expect good performance in PR at all.
Type renderer.drawfps 1 in the console while in-game to find-out.
Unscientifically do you feel BF2 runs slow on medium settings.
In my opinion you should bring your system up to the level where you can run the game on Medium detail to really see the best of PR.

also to answer your question about the gfx card....
Which of the following are you running? (check your ATI control panel to find out)
HD 2900 XT (top end)
HD 2600 Pro
HD 2600 XT
2400 Pro
2400 XT (low end)
(those seem like the most likely ones).

- Mhz of your processor?
- You will need lots of memory (2GB is recommended with an on-board card)
- Try some of the well known XP tweaks too.

Overall, i would make sure your drivers are up to date, you have used some of the recommendations of the BF2 tweakguides (use with caution).
Borrow some memory (2gb) if you can or buy some 2nd hand, as you don't want to waste your money on a system that may need the upgrade.

Good luck, and report back on these points, and we might be able to help a bit more.
For an experiment i did get PR working ok on a Duron 1800 once with a 7600GS card and 1.5gb of ram, with a LOT of tweaking and overlclocks (just to show it can be done) so
best of luck, especially if you are trying for experimental reasons.

I run very well with original BF2, i acually have 1 GB of RAM, not 500.

Re: Graphic card issues

Posted: 2009-08-09 20:33
by Zeudon
Jordanb716 wrote:I don't know about ATI GPUs but if nothing else you're not going to be able to play very well if at all with only half a gig of ram.
I have 1 GB of RAM, i forgot i upgraded it long ago.

Re: Graphic card issues

Posted: 2009-08-09 22:49
by MonkeySoldier
LittleFoX wrote:You might want to buy a graphics card, you can buy a desent card for 140 euros (about 200 USD). And add some RAM, atleast to one gig. You almost have the same system as I had, it worked for me ;)
Putting 140 euro's into a graphics card for such a system would be a waste of money, the GPU will be bottlenecked.