All Bipod equipped weapons should have a Deployed mode
Posted: 2009-08-17 19:52
by Roborob
Title is fairly self explanatory. If the new LMGs get it why shouldn't the DM and sniper classes get one? It would improve the DM class which is currently fairly useless in the face of the new SAWs, by allowing them to set up in places where they are actually usefull. I mean not everyone shoots from a prone position, they stack up boxes or what-have-you and set up back in a room.
And of course the Sniper class could do the same (even though it seems no-one likes snipers )
I can elaborate more on the idea If you want, but i mean come on... its simple.
the only problem I foresee is with ammunition, as each mode would have separate ammo.
Thoughts?
Re: All Bipod equipped weapons should have a Deployed mode
Posted: 2009-08-17 19:53
by Rudd
resuggestion but I agree
the only problem I foresee is with ammunition, as each mode would have separate ammo.
you are incorrect. The weapons can be ammo linked. There was a bug in the LMG iirc that is getting fixed in the next patch. e.g. the Smoke Grenades work fine for the officer as ammo linked
Re: All Bipod equipped weapons should have a Deployed mode
Posted: 2009-08-17 19:56
by Roborob
oh, ok I did not know that.
also visual example
Re: All Bipod equipped weapons should have a Deployed mode
Posted: 2009-08-17 20:00
by Tarantula
methinks this is a ressugestion, then theres always the problem of ammo slots in which to put the deployed mode, or are there free slots in sniper and DM? i dnt remember but i suppose it would be good to encourage snipers to stay still, though designated marksmen should proabably be encouraged to move with a squad, this may just create a new breed of semi-snipers who us DM when sniper is taken.
Re: All Bipod equipped weapons should have a Deployed mode
Posted: 2009-08-17 20:05
by Roborob
I know I suggested this (kind of) in the general discussion thread a week or two back. I didn't have enough posts to put it here, I figured I'd "re-suggest" it in the actual suggestion folder. it might get more input.
The DM though is kind of useless now though, not accurate enough to really deal with long range targets the way its supposed to.
Re: All Bipod equipped weapons should have a Deployed mode
Posted: 2009-08-18 03:44
by Chuc
Snipers have no real reason to have a deployed function, the way it's coded currently encourages the kind of behaviour we get with deployed weapons. DMRs on the other hand..
Re: All Bipod equipped weapons should have a Deployed mode
Posted: 2009-08-18 04:34
by Silly_Savage
'[R-DEV wrote:Chuc;1114939']Snipers have no real reason to have a deployed function, the way it's coded currently encourages the kind of behaviour we get with deployed weapons. DMRs on the other hand..
Not sure whether or not you wanted this posted. Remove if necessary.
Re: All Bipod equipped weapons should have a Deployed mode
Posted: 2009-08-18 09:44
by wookimonsta
looks nice, would make marksman more fun to play if he could really keep the enemy suppressed properly as well.
Re: All Bipod equipped weapons should have a Deployed mode
Posted: 2009-08-18 10:51
by Epim3theus
That looks pretty impressive, did they take down the kick of the G3 on all the models or is this just the benefit of the deployed mode?
Re: All Bipod equipped weapons should have a Deployed mode
Posted: 2009-08-18 11:21
by DankE_SPB
Silly_Savage wrote: Not sure whether or not you wanted this posted. Remove if necessary.
imo its going into introducing deployed mode for DMR and removing the sniper
Re: All Bipod equipped weapons should have a Deployed mode
Posted: 2009-08-18 11:41
by Brummy
nda!!!11one nda breach!!
That looks pretty cool
Re: All Bipod equipped weapons should have a Deployed mode
Posted: 2009-08-18 12:35
by Roborob
[R-DEV]Chuc wrote:Snipers have no real reason to have a deployed function, the way it's coded currently encourages the kind of behavior we get with deployed weapons. DMRs on the other hand..
Explain please, I don't understand what you mean... Snipers need this to stay useful and give them another 1000 potential observation and firing locations.
I also don't understand what you mean about the kind of behavior we get with deployed weapons... what kind of behavior are you talking about?
Re: All Bipod equipped weapons should have a Deployed mode
Posted: 2009-08-18 12:38
by Chuc
Snipers ingame currently have to remain virtually still for 6-8 seconds in any stance to get an accurate shot, which is pretty much exactly what the deployed mode for LMGs encourages anyway.
Re: All Bipod equipped weapons should have a Deployed mode
Posted: 2009-08-18 12:40
by Roborob
Right, but they can't do it while standing or crouching as accurately, while the LMG in deployed mode has the same accuracy at every stance.
Also deployed mode has slower gun movement while zoomed in
Re: All Bipod equipped weapons should have a Deployed mode
Posted: 2009-08-18 13:03
by rampo
I believe he devs are on it right now aren't you chuc?
Re: All Bipod equipped weapons should have a Deployed mode
Posted: 2009-08-18 13:09
by Chuc
Roborob wrote:Right, but they can't do it while standing or crouching as accurately, while the LMG in deployed mode has the same accuracy at every stance.
Also deployed mode has slower gun movement while zoomed in
You are right about the stance issue, but other than that the player behaviour tends towards that static, patient sniper behaviour.
Re: All Bipod equipped weapons should have a Deployed mode
Posted: 2009-08-18 13:09
by Nagard
In my opinion the sniper rifles are fine as they are right now. It requires some skill to use them correctly (unfortunately it doesn't require skill to request them) and if they would bring the deadly headshots back they could become usefull again, but the DMRs definitely need that supported mode to compare with the LMGs.
Re: All Bipod equipped weapons should have a Deployed mode
Posted: 2009-08-18 13:35
by Roborob
It would add realism for sure though, (see all the pictures i keep posting) And it would give the elusive snipers more places to accurately deliver death from.... Why can a LMG set up accurate fire from the back of a room but a sniper can't?
PS: im not arguing for DMR since everyone seems to be for it.
Re: All Bipod equipped weapons should have a Deployed mode
Posted: 2009-08-18 13:43
by Chuc
It's being looked into..
Re: All Bipod equipped weapons should have a Deployed mode
Posted: 2009-08-18 13:48
by Roborob
Also look at this pretty picture I made, demonstrating new firing positions if this were to be implemented.
Green is old firing positions, Red ones are new ones. Black is just awesome.