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1) Swearwords, profanity and ethnic slurs

I've never understood why swearing is a bannable or kickable offense. I cannot comprehend why people feel the need to go out of their way to correct the way people talk. Admittedly it's not nice to see someone write or hear someone use the word fuck every other word, but unless it's used in a derogative manner "you fucking so and so" I don't see the problem. I'm an adult, and adults my age (21 or older) seem like the intended audience for this mod. I can handle swearwords. If you're playing an online game, where there's shooting involved, you can pretty much guess there's going to be swearwords. If this bothers you, don't play the damn game.

'[R-DEV wrote:OkitaMakoto;1137392']I'll just address one issue you brought up because I feel most strongly about it. There are a LOT of youth that play the game. more so than I, myself, imagined. We have an age poll around here somewhere and youd be surprised at the ages we have as an average...mean... mode, whatever, heh.

I understand the idea that we are killing people, but its still just a game, and as I previously mentioned, a lot of youth play the game. Heck, theres even a large amount of adults[pardon the lack of reference here] who dont want people cussing up their servers.

But the biggest reason? Their server, their rules. Might not be democratic or held up by the statue of liberty, but its how the internet/servers work. Your money, your rules. Its a similar policy our forum has. It even excludes me. I dont pay for it, I just work with it. I might have a bit of say in small things, but ultimately, I listen to the big guys

BattleArena4 wrote:When you play a game on someones server it is important to remember that you are a guest.

If you don't like the rules, simply don't play on that server and everyone will be happy.

Hammarskjold wrote:I hope this is very clever sarcasm, else I'll have to post a facepalm picture.

Hammarskjold wrote:I have some advice for all you server admins out there, based on my last match on the nwa UK insurgency server.

1) Swearwords, profanity and ethnic slurs

I've never understood why swearing is a bannable or kickable offense. I cannot comprehend why people feel the need to go out of their way to correct the way people talk. Admittedly it's not nice to see someone write or hear someone use the word fuck every other word, but unless it's used in a derogative manner "you fucking so and so" I don't see the problem. I'm an adult, and adults my age (21 or older) seem like the intended audience for this mod. I can handle swearwords. If you're playing an online game, where there's shooting involved, you can pretty much guess there's going to be swearwords. If this bothers you, don't play the damn game.

Now, ethnic slurs. I'm not a xenophobe, so if I use ethnic slurs as a joke with my friends, on the internets, when I say "what up n-" it's ironic, because I'm white as a snow devil. It's not meant to offend anybody, and if it did I will apologise and stop saying that shit. So when my friend and I were going to play some PR on nwa UK insurgency server, my friend greeted everyone with a "hello n-!". Yes, immature and fucking stupid. A server admin banned him right away. My friend didn't get a warning, didn't get to apologise or even read the server rules. He obviously did not mean it as an offense to anyone, it was just a really, really stupid thing to say.

So the lesson here is warn first, ban later. Obviously, if someone's being overtly racist, there's no point to that - but in this case there was nothing sinister about it, it was just a stupid and immature thing to say that's all. The point of an ethnic slur is to offend somebody.

There's no need to be overzealous. We're all just looking to have a good time, playing PR with friends. A little profanity should be acceptable to everyone seeing as this is the internets and everything.

2) Cheating

Cheating is bad. Instead of these laws popping up all over europe where they're going to fine people for downloading illegally they should be fining people for cheating in computer games. I can't stand a cheater.

Me and said friend (who I managed to get unbanned) were playing on Fallujah West, one of my favorite maps (can't wait for the lag/sidewalk fix). It was me and 3 other guys dismounted, with a Humvee (driver and gunner) as heavy support. Together we had a great thing going, and we went around destroying two or three crashes and like half a dozen hideouts - we really menaced the Insurgents. The Humvee gunner racked up 81 kills (!) and 1 death, as I did my best in directing him around on the battlefield. I think in total we had 10 deaths, after 45 minutes, and probably over 100 kills altogether.

Anyway, 45 minutes in we've got 8 out of 10 caches and 4 of us are in the base restocking ammo while the remaining two are manning the roof of the gas station, waiting for us to get back into the fight, guarding our rally point. Then, all of a sudden, my gunner dies and leaves the squad. My eyes look at the top left of the screen and lo and behold he's been kicked. A furious debate starts. The server admin has just ruined the fun for me and my whole squad because some asshats accused the Humvee gunner of wallhacking, aimbotting and whatever else they could think of. The Humvee gunner is not a friend of mine, only the medic was, the rest of the squad were random people on the server. I'm not going to defend a cheater even if he's on my team, in my squad. I want cheaters treated the way real-life hackers are treated (banned from using computers/going on the internet).

Not a word from the admins.

What the fuck. My whole squad has been insisting that no, he isn't cheating. He didn't get 81 kills with 81 .50 cal bullets - he RTB :d many, many times to restock ammo. He doesn't see people from behind walls either. The explanation for shooting so many people was me leading him and us right smack into the middle of some pretty explosive situations. Frankly, we were lucky to get out alive many times. We had 4 people dismounted, including a marksman, able to give him targets and direct his fire at targets he wasn't looking at himself. We kind of in a way gave him 360 degree sight - and that produced results.

But no, the server admin listened to someone who joined the server a few minutes ago, who didn't know at first he had racked up all those kills from a .50 cal roaming around the map for 45 minutes. It's entirely possible, and we showed this, to rack up that many kills. We must have run into 7 or 8 hideouts, and could not always go destroy it right away (so we killed people spawning in, why wouldn't we).

Finally, a word from the admin:
"I want to look at his demo and his screenshots".

What. I ask him "Why?". My squadmates and a lot of other people - on both teams - come to our defense in calling this bullshit.

I then get kicked and banned, told to "go outside". There's a server I won't return to.

This is not how you run a server. This is not just a rant about this particular server - I've come across many server admins who are complete and utter idiots, in PR and other games.

If you're shelling out hundreds of euros every month to have a great server where people can enjoy their favorite game then surely you want to encourage people to play on your server, right? Why else would you go through all that effort to get a server up and keep it running?

So don't be difficult. Don't have your rules listed on a forum, use the in-game crawler, uhh, thing. Don't ban swearwords altogether. Don't force people to play a certain way, (ie. you must follow SL and CO orders). These types of rules are unnecessary and frustrating sometimes. I'm a nice person, but I speak my mind and I use all manner of words - there's nothing wrong with that.

In the case of the must-follow-order rule - you're effectively turning what should be fun into a nightmare. The CO is made out to be the Pope, even though everyone playing isn't catholic, gnome sayin'? You'll spend a lot of time worrying, not having fun.

That's all I had to say for now. See you on the battlefield.


tl; dr; I don't like overzealous server admins and wish they'd relax.

05grottim wrote:Although a clan called commando ******** can hardly enforce a language rule lol.

paradien wrote:The point of following sl or co, is so we dont have a buttload of rambos every were, im not even sure why your objecting it.
The point of the game was a squad base action, not 1 man killing crew, if you want that go back to vbf2, and language, whats it matter. If your in voip go ahead ,idc who you might pi$ off, but typing explitives, like me reading a single explitive cuase u got shot will be usefull to me in a dire situation.

Idk about any one else but this is just seems to be another thread on kinda near pointless things.

gomimin wrote:@Hammarskjold

Did you ever admin on a server?

'[FC wrote:Freddie;1137461']Until you do that I'm afraid you going to have to just deal with the servers that graciously supply you with PR gaming access and the way that those people prefer to see their servers administered.

*NwA*Orford wrote:1. Language filter. As you have never been admin run a server or been a clan leader you wont know that most clan servers use a swear filter the "N" word is a auto ban. We have a relaxed swear filter but certain words do invoke a instant ban. Other words you will see a auto warning at the top of the screen. So a admin giving you a warning first wont happen for the "N" word . Some countries have diffrent social and moral eithos so think before typing what may not offend you may offen others.

*NwA*Orford wrote:2. Your side may of said he isnt cheeating but think of the other side, players were leeaving the server saying "This is **** not playing on a server that allows hackers" etc etc So as a admin what would you do with a .50cal humvee gunner 80-1K/D who can shoot on the move and hit every thing he sees. Let the 30 ppl on the other side leave and never come back or kick the guy who they are acusing of hacking. 1 v 30 do the math.

*NwA*Orford wrote:I will chase up who said they will check the demo and why it hasnt been done. But no one has come to our forum and request a ban be lifted. So how botherd are you enough to come here and rant against us in public and not come to our forums and sort this out.

If anyone ever plays on *NwA* server and has any issues then visit the link at the top or add Orford to your xfire i always have it on whan im playing.

Also a member of the PR xfire admin comunity so find me there also.

*NwA*Orford wrote:We have 3 rules That are enforce the other rules we have out line game play and more FAQ that we get.

Name squad for asset you want first squad at 130 get said asset.
No raping Insurgent main in that game type.
No force TK or TK`ing.

We try to keep it to the least we could as admin want to play to. Admin letting the power go to his head. Your ban was a auto ban your mates ban was due to players calling him a hacker and leaving the server. Your second ban was due to your attitude and arguing and not being able to see things from a admins point of view. Im sure the admin who banned you got tierd of reading the text on the screen and you not dropping it then geting abusive again for the good of the server and the people playing on it you was given another ban.

any way *NwA* Clan is your best way to sort this if thats what you want.

Hammarskjold wrote:The "your money, your rules" argument is illogical, in my opinion.