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Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Posted: 2009-10-03 13:40
by Ironcomatose
In a standard USMC infantry company and platoon the weapons section that uses such rockets dont use the SRAW anymore. The SMAW is the standard and will be for some time. I think you guys have had it before so why did it go? If you like i can help out with making the weapon act realistic but i doubt i will be able to get any pics.

Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Posted: 2009-10-03 13:46
by jbgeezer
Have we ever had SMAW in-game? I doubt it.
Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Posted: 2009-10-03 13:47
by Ironcomatose
jbgeezer wrote:Have we ever had SMAW in-game? I doubt it.
Yeah i think we did years ago.
Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Posted: 2009-10-03 13:49
by jbgeezer
Oh, I might be wrong, but I have been playing PR since 0.5 and I have never seen a SMAW here. U sure you aint mixing this with another mod for bf?
However I couldnt agree more with you, the SRAW needs replacing.
Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Posted: 2009-10-03 13:57
by ReadMenace
Nope Geezer, Iron is correct, PR did have the SMAW at one point in time.
-REad
Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Posted: 2009-10-03 14:26
by jbgeezer
Oh, when was that? Why was it replaced?
Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Posted: 2009-10-03 14:29
by Jedimushroom
Wait what? I've been playing since .322 and I ain't never seen a SMAW no sir!
They did have one in USI though, it was pretty cool if I remember correctly.
Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Posted: 2009-10-03 14:35
by ReadMenace
Prior to us having the AT-4 we had the SMAW... What release was it? No idea. It was back when we had teargas for the Autoriflemen on Insurgency.
-REad
Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Posted: 2009-10-03 14:42
by Maxfragg
i guess 0.4 had the SMAW IRCC
Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Posted: 2009-10-03 14:43
by Ironcomatose
Well thats good to hear. So we do you guys still have that lying around or what?
Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Posted: 2009-10-03 17:07
by Redamare

(crystal land 3d modeler {google})
Im all up for replacing the Sraw

i have been posting to finally replace it with Something.. i support this idea.
Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Posted: 2009-10-03 17:44
by Eddie Baker
SRAW should never have been in game- period. If the SRAW gets replaced with anything, it will be the Javelin. I would like to see the SMAW as an alternate kit for Marine maps (the US Army does not use the Mk-153 SMAW anything similar outside the Ranger Regiment) only containing infantry and light vehicles, though.
Resuggestion, BTW.
Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Posted: 2009-10-03 18:12
by Silly_Savage
I don't believe there was ever a SMAW in PR.
Perhaps you all could be thinking of the previous LAW-80 model that was back in around v0.5-v0.6ish?
Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Posted: 2009-10-03 18:14
by gazzthompson
i remember a SMAW in game.
are they on same level tho? i mean isnt the SMAW more of a LAT ?
Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Posted: 2009-10-03 18:21
by Eddie Baker
Silly_Savage wrote:I don't believe there was ever a SMAW in PR.
Perhaps you all could be thinking of the previous LAW-80 model that was back in around v0.5-v0.6ish?
It was in game as a placeholder before we had a model for the AT-4.
gazzthompson wrote:i remember a SMAW in game.
are they on same level tho? i mean isnt the SMAW more of a LAT ?
The SMAW is a company level weapon with a dedicated gunner and a-gunner; they even have their own MOS; MOS 0351 Anti-Tank Assaultman. They are also trained in demo tasks, obstacle breaching (including mine clearing charges) and employment of anti-tank mines.
The SRAW, on the other hand, was intended to eventually replace the AT-4 as a squad level, rifleman's weapon. It is a single shot disposable weapon, but has a fire-and-forget inertial guidance. It is similar to the UK-selected NLAW (Bofors MBT-LAW). However, production was stopped before even 1000 units (IIRC) were made, and the inventory was retrofit with blast-frag "bunker-busting" warheads.
So, no, they are not on the same level. The SRAW never should have been in game because of how few ever made it into production, much less been in game as the weapon of a dedicated anti-tank gunner.
Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Posted: 2009-10-03 18:39
by Masterbake
[R-CON]ReadMenace wrote:Prior to us having the AT-4 we had the SMAW... What release was it? No idea. It was back when we had teargas for the Autoriflemen on Insurgency.
-REad
That sounds good, put that back too

Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Posted: 2009-10-03 19:07
by spawncaptain
So, why has the SMAW been replaced by the AT-4, Eddie? I think I have seen the Marines use both weapons on photos, but you know more about that.
I'd really love to see that special tracer round it has.
Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Posted: 2009-10-03 19:12
by Eddie Baker
spawncaptain wrote:So, why has the SMAW been replaced by the AT-4, Eddie? I think I have seen the Marines use both weapons on photos, but you know more about that.
I'd really love to see that special tracer round it has.
Because they are at different echelons. They do use both. But as I said, the AT-4 is a weapon issued to individual, regular riflemen in a squad. A SMAW is a
crew served weapon for dedicated anti-tank gunners in a company weapons platoon's assault section. There are six of them, operated by two man teams, in every rifle company, so they can potentially be attached two to each rifle platoon. The AT-4 is issued as a round of ammunition to a member of a fire-team. Consider 3 fire teams per squad, 3 squads per rifle platoon and 3 rifle platoons per company, that's up to 27 AT-4s in a rifle company, compared to 6 SMAW.
Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Posted: 2009-10-03 19:17
by LUKE_NUKE_EM
I dont believe that the SMAW is used as often as the SRAW. One question though, is the SRAW the same as the BDM, I had heard about it but never actually looked it up.
Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Posted: 2009-10-03 19:20
by charliegrs
ive been watching alot of recent marine videos from afghanistan, in helmand province etc. and one thing i noticed is it seems like alot of marines are using LAWS? They look like laws to me, but im not expert. They are very short collapsible rockets that are single use. They definitly werent at4s.
Anyway back on topic, I would love the smaw for the marines. Maybe as a pickup kit? The requestable heavy AT could be the SRAW {or javelin if they ever figure out how to implement it} and an alternate could be a pick up smaw?