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Hi all,
Well Mine Suggestion is about reloading in PR.
I see that in PR the soldier checks if There is ammo in the mag But Checking Ammo in the mag in a Firefight is not right because you dont do that You might get shot by checking Your ammo when enemy is shooting at you.
And the Idea is To make reloading Speed faster and like make him see ammo in the mag but no like checking completely, so it is like he throws an empty mag away picks a new one look at the mag quickly and put it in the rifle.
That would be more Combat Realism
Edit: And Emergency Reload in the firefight i mean needed

PS.Someone done this post before put i done it with more sense not bad language at all

Your suggesting this on realism, but do you know the reloading procedure for most of the arimes represented in PR? im pretty sure most armies will train soldiers to, unless the enemy is literally in your face, check your mag before entering it.

what knowledge or sources are you basing this "combat realism" on ? (and no, your video in your sig dose not count)

If a soldier is using a magazine he packed and strapped to his uniform he wouldn't have to check, he would know there are bullets in there already...

In PR you discard partially used magazines, not hang on to them so there would not be any partial magazines except the ones in the guns, just like we have now.

Some Videos and i Aslo wanted to say Emergency Reload in firefight

EDIT:Videos 4 Posters Down

I'm sure they devs know that you can reload a weapon very fast, specially during combat since they have advisers who have done just that.

But the reason why they have slow reloads is to force the player to really take cover when reloading instead of just doing it on the run in the middle of a firefight.

Spaz wrote: But the reason why they have slow reloads is to force the player to really take cover when reloading instead of just doing it on the run in the middle of a firefight.

Well i run to the cover but then the player knows im gonna reload he runs to me shoots me And what if there is no cover close to you what im gonna do reload 7 seconds and it doesnt make sense to chceck ammo when someone shoots to me and i got no cover A bit faster Reload would Fix the problem and the Speed Reload Doesnt have to be like 2 or 3 sec but it could be faster and more proffesional fast combat reload.

My Grandpa was in the polish army he was lots in Firefights with AK47 he told me about Reloads in the firefight and precision of rifle and lots of stuff hes a cool Grandpa

One more thing can u fix those Youtube Links Please ???

LechHools wrote:Well i run to the cover but then the player knows im gonna reload he runs to me shoots me and the Speed Reload Doesnt have to be like 2 or 3 sec but it could be faster and more proffesional fast combat reload.

But how often are you so close to your enemy so that he can run up and kill you when you are reloading behind cover? And where are your squad to support you? It seems to me that you are just frustrated with long reload time tbh.

And are you asking about two different reloads? One fast and one slow? Because you can't do that.

LechHools wrote:One more thing can u fix those Youtube Links Please ???

No.

And what war was your granddad fighting in using Ak47?

Unfortunately in BF2 engine, there is only one speed for reloads.

If was possible, it would indeed be nice to make varying speeds, depending on these factors: movement, stance, health status, weapon status (bolt back or forward), stamina, morale, suppression or anything like that. This is not possible in BF2 engine, we are stuck with 1 speed unfortunatley.

In PR right now you can do alot of superhuman things that simply wouldnt be possible in real life, including reloading while sprinting, you just have to initiate the reload first then you can sprint all you want while the reload animation plays out - impossible in real life, ESPECIALLY with the LMGs.

You can also scale mountains while reloading, and while bleeding out still reload like normal, etc etc. Reloading rifles while prone should take longer, reloading LMG's while prone should take shorter, etc.

For these reason, we have a somewhat longer reload time than most other shooters, but we think this is better for gameplay, and a realistic compromise to the limited system we have to deal with. IMO the speed of a reload on a battlefield is not as important as the weapon functioning properly after the reload is completed, making a hasty reload is no good if the round is not properly seated and your weapon jams, hence why we got the player doing his drill of checking the rounds are seated properly.


If you have a weapon available to you, you could demonstrate for yourself the reload times.... take your weapon, pile on 60-100lbs of kit, now do a ruck march on rough terrain for 6 hours without stopping and without eating.

Now quickly, before catching breath, begin doing reloads in the situations you do in PR:

- reload as normal, while standing
- reload as normal, while crouched
- reload while prone and in cover, trying to least expose yourself (with your full kit on)
- reload while sprinting from cover.
- reload while diving prone.
-etc

Time all these reloads and compare them to the times in PR currently.

Obviously your not going be doing this with live ammunition as its dangerous, and not under fire which adds an element of fear, but you'll get the idea that reload times while rested, safe and cozy at the range or indoors. I think reloads in the field and in the combat circumstances that you encounter in PR, the timings will probably be larger, and if I'd have to guess in PR reload times are somewhat on short side, especially considering you never have to actually load your mags with rounds, and you dont keep your spent mags, which you probably would in extended combat situation.

LechHools wrote:

just need the code after the = sign.

Spaz wrote:But how often are you so close to your enemy so that he can run up and kill you when you are reloading behind cover? And where are your squad to support you? It seems to me that you are just frustrated with long reload time tbh.

Well I Got my Team Support But just because they support me it doesnt mean that i wont get shot i better protect my self with my rifle and also my team
Lets Stick to the reloading Please I would love to hear What Chuc Thinks about that suggestion

No.

Why ? (NeverMind)

Edit:

And what war was your granddad fighting in using Ak47?

Im not sure what war man i ask him and he was in the army he done training he had good rank hehe

Unfortunately in BF2 engine, there is only one speed for reloads.

I know that beacuse im a modder for BF2, My suggestion is to Make the reload speed faster like 2 sec Would be Great

Ive never been in a combat situation but i dont think people will start remembering all the finger moves and neat stuff but just take the mag out and get a new on in quick while in a firefight

I think all your youtube videos proved exactly why it should remain as it is rather then someone showing off a drill...... as they are all standing in their living room, not in combat.

If you posted some actual combat footage of people being able to use these drills in a real combat situation im sure your suggestion might have some substance then.

rampo93(FIN) wrote:Ive never been in a combat situation but i dont think people will start remembering all the finger moves and neat stuff but just take the mag out and get a new on in quick while in a firefight

Could be true, but the other could also be true. Marines and soldiers when invading Iraq were shocking civilians and the Press when they were seen always having their trigger fingers off the trigger and alongside the rifle. ["Relearning Old Battlefield Lessons" Richard Hart Sinnreich, Washington Post]

Training goes a long way, so I wouldn't put it past soldiers to really get these movements ingrained in their heads. Especially when they know they are going to war as Infantry against a modern military[like we have portrayed in PR]. The way you are trained would most logically also be the fastest way to do it as you are accustomed to doing it over and over thousands of times to perfection in the same manner.

Theyd surely be some of the most highly trained out of each military which on one hand could simply mean speed as you suggest, but perhaps more importantly a completely safe, proven, familiar and effective means of reloading ingrained in their heads to do no matter the situation.

I think this represents most closely what would happen in a combat environment.



See 0:33 seconds where he reloads.. he takes around 7 seconds from preparing to getting back on target, and that's without using the forward assist on his weapon.



Same here, at again around 0:33

2 different reload animation.Normal and faster.İn faster dont look at mag and reload gun but you have a chance to choose an empty mag(maybe %35) or different reload for different situation(While under fire, prone etc.)

İnsurgents, taliban, Chechens not look at mag for waste time.They need shooting advantage on enemy.Attacking fastly then run back to their encampment.

Sorry for my bad english

'Sgt.Desert Tiger[TR wrote:;1166753']2 different reload animation.Normal and faster.İn faster dont look at mag and reload gun but you have a chance to choose an empty mag(maybe %35) or different reload for different situation(While under fire, prone etc.)

İnsurgents, taliban, Chechens not look at mag for waste time.They need shooting advantage on enemy.Attacking fastly then run back to their encampment.

Sorry for my bad english

i agree but 2 reloads are no possible for bf2 engine

Chuc those 2 vids u gave me are when soldier is lying, most of the time we stand in PR or Crouch when u lie it's harder to get a mag out of the pocket or how ever it's called, when soldier stands in the combat i can be sure he reloads faster than lying guy on video.

PS: Its a bit stupid giving me video when guy i lying and reloading (because every one knows u reload faster when standing and most of the time in PR u stand or crouch as i said)