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Origional Post ( German Forces Suggestion ) https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f202-german-forces/67556-weapon-barret.html

so the origional post was for the german forces some one was working on a new Barret sniper rifle model. the Barret sniper rifles were first taken out of pr in verson .7 ISH i dont remember which one exacltly ( And aparently rhino has a secret one hidden one somewhere SO ive heard ;D ) ...

Reading the Thread i was curious to see... would having the Barret sniper rifles as a FACTION Sniper kit be acceptable ?????

( for new players ) when the barret was in game in the past it was abused WAY to much and people just got mad at the person with the barret... and Team killing was a problem over the weapon SO it was taken out.....

BUT! If it wasnt a stray weapon but a requestable kit taking the model of a sniper rifle for one one of the factions would that be acceptable? or is the rifle just too unfair?

To bad there isn't a way were you can only have it take out vehicles and not be used on infantry.

gx wrote:To bad there isn't a way were you can only have it take out vehicles and not be used on infantry.

but they are used on humans, so no problem there.

PR allready has a BArret M82 50.cal rifle but it's not been used for a while cause it's not realistic, PR is fine whit the M24 now

rampo93(FIN) wrote:PR allready has a BArret M82 50.cal rifle but it's not been used for a while cause it's not realistic, PR is fine whit the M24 now

bu da not liek kool enough cos it not 50col

No but really what would be the point the sniper rifles are already 1 shot kill and taking out vehicles with a sniper rifle....

Nimise wrote:bu da not liek kool enough cos it not 50col

No but really what would be the point the sniper rifles are already 1 shot kill and taking out vehicles with a sniper rifle....

I dont think the 50.cals are as common as M24's in the army, and btw what kinda fifty would you give for the PLA and MEC?

rampo93(FIN) wrote:I dont think the 50.cals are as common as M24's in the army, and btw what kinda fifty would you give for the PLA and MEC?

for gameplay you might have o increase the power of the original ones ATM

killonsight95 wrote:for gameplay you might have o increase the power of the original ones ATM

Or you could just leave the 50.cals be and keep the m24?

Yer Redamare this seems like it is a cause for concern actually, the same problems we had before may well come back. Maybe it could be resolved by really slowing down the pace of the browning user and limiting ammo substantially. I don't know it's a tricky one...

Bringing back the large caliber sniper rifles is quite the gamble. I for one, who tries to keep things reasonable in and those not out, would actually like to sometime in the future see a M82A1 for the Marines and Army (as well as the other various countries that issue them). I mean, they would have to represent their real life component and have some penetrating capabilities (Not like it was in BF2, but penetration in glass and other various materials). But on the other hand, would have to be insanely limited, up to two per team, a Long Draw time, with very limited number of magazines to prevent lonewolfing. (Every sniper accompanied with a spotter).
Edit: Then theres the whoring, but nothing a little admining can't fix.

As u said maybe in order for a person to fire the baretta you would have to be accompanied by a spotter, in this way a 50. cal squad (2 man) would have to be made in order to use the weapon. Hopefully along with low ammo and cumbersome reload this would limit '50. cal frenzy' due to the dedication needed. This would also make stealing the Baretta kit useless unless the spotter kit is also stolen at the same time- seems this would be fairly unlikely.

rampo93(FIN) wrote:I dont think the 50.cals are as common as M24's in the army, and btw what kinda fifty would you give for the PLA and MEC?

Maybe I said it wrong but I was agreeing that the M24/other sniper riffles are fine.

crazyivan wrote:As u said maybe in order for a person to fire the baretta you would have to be accompanied by a spotter, in this way a 50. cal squad (2 man) would have to be made in order to use the weapon. Hopefully along with low ammo and cumbersome reload this would limit '50. cal frenzy' due to the dedication needed. This would also make stealing the Baretta kit useless unless the spotter kit is also stolen at the same time- seems this would be fairly unlikely.

Still whats the point. As I said earlier snipers are already 1 shot kill and in order for it to be useful against small vehicles they would have to up the damage a lot(e.g. 4 shots kills Humvee) but then it would be 1 shot kill vs a LB (unless you can control damage done to certain vehicles)

hiberNative wrote:but they are used on humans, so no problem there.

Yes, I know. But if you if was only able to take out vehicles and not personal you wouldn't have people fighting over it.

There is one in single player.

Mad-Mike wrote:There is one in single player.

I thought there was 2

I think it would be a nice addition, right now the M-24 is a crappy model and horrible scope. And the Barret isn't all powerful... I'd still prefer a LAT over it because the LAT does more damage and has a quicker time to get prepared, which is important in the majority of PR maps because they are city maps. Finding .50 cal models for other armies isn't so hard, even the insurgents have been spotted with Steyr HS rifles from Iran... The Chinese and Russians both have .50 cal rifles in their inventories. Also the idea of having a humvee taken out in 4 shots is rather good. I doubt seriously that the current issue of people fighting over sniper kits could get worse, so what harm could this possibly do?

If it's realistic I don't see why the DEVs would turn it down. But I highly doubt the M82 is the standard sniper rifle for the german military, so I don't think it should be a problem.

barrett in PRSP? where?
I think that if the .50s are brought back, a revamp of the sniping systems should be done, incorporating all the elements real snipers have to deal with(there"s a thread in the infantry section about it)

From a realism standpoint, the .50-caliber rifles and other similar-caliber special-purpose weapons are used in combat on a limited scale. They are not a normal weapon of issue, even for those who use them frequently. They are considered "special purpose" for a reason.

These weapons are usually used in the roles of anti-material and UXO removal. In fact, the M82 was originally designed as an AM rifle capable of defeating long-range hard targets such as parked aircraft. It was in no way designed with the intent of attacking personnel. The rifle is obviously capable of engaging personnel, but when you compare it to other sniper weapons, it's largely inferior.


From a gameplay standpoint, I see it being almost impossible to realistically integrate such a weapon system into PR. For example, vehicles do not have specific hit-boxes that can be used to determine if the shot would have done damage to the vehicle or not, and if so what amount of damage. A .50-caliber (12.7mm) round is not going to do jack shit to an armored vehicle such as an MBT unless you are striking external unprotected components like sensors, optics, antennas, etc. And for light-armored vehicles such as an uparmored HMMWV, you would need to hit a specific point on the vehicle from a specific angle in order to do anything more than chip paint or annoy the occupants.

If this kit was to be added to PR again, it would have to be done so under the guidelines that it would be used primarily as an anti-material rifle only, with use against personnel being for emergencies and defense only. But because our players are not real soldiers, those players are undoubtedly going to try using the weapon in aspects which it was not intended or desired. The expoitation of the game limitations are what I feel is the primary reason such weapons are no longer available in PR.

The only way I see this type of weapon ever being permitted into PR is if we can come up with a suitable means of use, but as mentioned above that is likely an engine limitation that can't be overcome. Can I shoot a land mine to disable it? Can I shoot a tire or engine on a jeep and disable that vehicle? Can I fire at a tank, even with a thousand rounds, and still do zero damage? Those are just a couple of examples of why it's not present in the game right now.

rampo93(FIN) wrote:and btw what kinda fifty would you give for the PLA and MEC?

PLA

Modern Firearms - M99 / M06 anti-materiel / sniper rifle
Modern Firearms - M99B / M06 anti-materiel / sniper rifle
Modern Firearms - 12.7mm AMR-2 anti-materiel / sniper rifle
Modern Firearms - 12.7mm JS 05 anti-materiel / sniper rifle

Middle-East

Modern Firearms - Steyr .50 HS sniper rifle (Iran has received shipments of these)