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I'll try my best:

1. Rocks do not count as a weapon, even if they throw them at you. You cannot be engaged as a civilian without the offender suffering penalties.

2. If you select a weapon, even without firing it, you are a target. You can be engaged as a civilian without the offender suffering penalties.

3. If you get on any ladder, or a grapple, you are a valid target. You can be engaged as a civilian without the offender suffering penalties. I believe the grapple is considered a "vehicle", which means that you can continue to be engaged 60 seconds after "getting out" of it. Although the ladder is not considered a "vehicle", you can still be killed while on it without the offender suffering any penalties. However, because it is not considered a "vehicle", once you get off of it, you, as a civilian, cannot be killed without the offender suffering penalties.

4. Binoculars do not count as a weapon, even if you are looking through them. You cannot be engaged as a civilian without the offender suffering penalties.

5. Cell phones do not count as a weapon. You cannot be engaged as a civilian without the offender suffering penalties.

6. As stated earlier, I believe the grapple is considered a "vehicle". Thus, you can be engaged as a civilian without the offender suffering any penalties. This includes the time you are on it and 60 seconds after getting off as well. If you merely have the grapple selected, this does not count as "entering a vehicle". You cannot be engaged as a civilian without the offender suffering penalties.

7. I do not believe you can engage civilians with explosives if they are outside the ROE without suffering the penalties. You cannot be engaged as a civilian without the offender suffering penalties.

8. It all depends on the state in which you die. If you bleed out while you're still within the ROE, then there are no penalties for the offender. However, if you bleed out while outside of the ROE, then I believe there are penalties for the offender.

I'll try and be a bit more concise. The only times you can be engaged as a civilian without the offender suffering any penalties is when you, as a civilian: enter a vehicle/ladder/grapple (see #3 for more details), select/use/pickup any kind of weapon* (see above for items not considered "weapons"), get ran over by a vehicle, select/use any medical equipment* (medic bag/epipens), or are arrested (restrainer/shot with a shotgun using slugs).

* The same rules from the grappling hook apply to the medical equipment and weapons. That is, once you are done using them and switch items, you are still able to be engaged as a civilian without the offender suffering penalties 60 seconds after using them.

** If you pick up a different kit with a weapon in it, you are no longer considered a civilian and can be shot without the offender suffering the repercussions. If you switch to back to the civilian kit after having picked up another kit with a weapon, you must wait 60 seconds before you are deemed a "civilian". In those 60 seconds, you are within the ROE and can be killed without penalties.

I hope this answered some of your questions.

RELEASE_THE_KRAKEN wrote:Basically with the current system, shoot them. 8 times out of 10 you wont get punished, and they'll be stuck behind a 2 min spawn penalty for trying to help their team...

Lan wrote:Simplest way of sorting this out is giving harsher penalties tbh, too confusing atm and 80% of the time when im in a squad and someone says civi you just get the "f**k it hes trying to draw us into an ambush, open up on that fooker" or something similar.

Herbiie wrote:No Matter what any one else had said against this through testing you can shoot a civvi who has thrown a rock out

RELEASE_THE_KRAKEN wrote:Basically with the current system, shoot them. 8 times out of 10 you wont get punished, and they'll be stuck behind a 2 min spawn penalty for trying to help their team...