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Doing research on middle eastern militaries I have noticed that hardly any infantry have optics attached to their weapons. Lets pick a major military power in the middle east lets say Iran being one of the biggest and strongest non western helped countries.

Only their marksman and snipers have any type of optic not individuals belonging to the military as NATO countries do.

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googled it and found nothing giving clear evidence that the infantry and even some spec ops give scopes to all of their infantry.

Now lets pick another large middle eastern country with powerful military and better military spending lets say Saudi or Kuwait... Even aid from western powers does not give them optics

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Kuwait

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now china a major military in asia and in PR lol because hey I looked them up too!

http://www.armyrecognition.com/images/s ... ms_001.jpg

http://cdn.wn.com/ph/img/82/b6/20085fb7 ... grande.jpg

http://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/up ... ary-02.jpg

IDK if PR knows about this and does it to equal it out between the factions (give equal strengths for AAS) but hey what do you guys think bad idea or good..... I was hesitant to put this up because I dont want to get anyone who loves MEC and chinese mad lol I like them too tho

and I searched this and didnt find anything on PR

maybe we could have limited rifle kits for them with like the AR in a squad. ! rifle with scope in a squad or something.

This would be fine if it was chinese vs MEC, but as of now I don't believe there are such maps.

But since there are none, those factions are going against USA who has optics making it a great disadvantage for the MEC / Chinese.

I understand your move for realism, and that is good. BUT! PR is not 100% realism..... its still a game you know, while realism is considered its still Gameplay > Complete realism.

Scoped rifles were added for balance on the MEC and chinese sides, to mimic the ACOG M16/M4's.

Your source of the Saudi troops parading with G3's is not valid, as far as i know the Americans don't do their volleys with scopes attached?

Likewise with the G3's, if you can find multiple examples of Saudi troops in the field without at least ONE scoped rifle then you have a bit of water in your tank.

Why would someone parade with a scope? Scopes only add weight to the weapon, and marches and other ceremonies last for quite a while.

Tell me where it says the Middle Eastern Coalition don't use scopes! Ha, bet ya can't

Anyway, in the time PR is set (Near Future) they would be able to have scopes.

well in the pics they are parading with full combat gear so if they had scopes I am sure they would be on their rifles and they are doing combat drills w.o scopes (chinese)

as for the near future that is why I added saudi and kuwait, in the future if there was a war like this I would think they would not spend money on scopes in the future if they do not do that now and spend money on ammo and apcs and such...

but yeah I kinda thought it was to balance the teams up but hey it was one of those kinda iffy suggestions.

this would leave the MEC at a disitvantage in 2 places, CQB and Long range, leaving them only the middle ground. Bad idea. Also, this would apply with the US army and USMC. I dont think 90% of them run around with scoped rifles.

Ccharge wrote:this would leave the MEC at a disitvantage in 2 places, CQB and Long range, leaving them only the middle ground. Bad idea. Also, this would apply with the US army and USMC. I dont think 90% of them run around with scoped rifles.

yeah we do nearly everyone in the USMC has some type of optic on their weapon...

but yeah I could see where this would be a bad idea because of balance.

You answered your own question.

There is a point where realism becomes a bad idea for a VIDEO GAME, IE 4 crew members in a tank and fuel for vehicles, the list is endless.

HellDuke you're a potato, Its a finnish soldier whit a RK-95

I don't see anything wrong with having no/less scopes for MEC/China as long as they get something else better for compensation.
Assymetrical balance ftw!

HellDuke wrote:Sure.. Take them away... (<-sarcasm) The other factions loose them as well? (US Army and USMC etc?) Otherwise wake up from your dreamworld.


If that's not an ACOG scope on that Iran army soldiers rifle then I am a potato... The weapon doesn't seem to belong to a marskamn...

your a potato I believe that is not an Iranian soldier not their issued weapon or uniform... if the site says it is plz give me that sight. Ive studied Iranian military for almost a year now and even with their spec forces have never seen anything like this...It is not an Iranian soldier of any kind.

Helmet is wrong
Uniform is wrong
weapon is wrong
face shield (looks oakley) is wrong
you see the groin protector (iranian forces do not use body armor on infantry and their special forces usually does not get it either) that is wrong
padding is wrong
Acog is deff wrong seeing as Acog does not ship outside of the US except if they have a deal with the US mil ad they are giving to another country (the US mil would of had to given that optic)

most likely another NATO soldier possibly Polish, Finish or another Eastern European nation

IDK if you were angered with my perfect dream world idea but plz dont I had no intention of getting anyone upset all I ask is if you say things like that is an Iranian soldier or hardly any us serviceman has optics on their rifles plz give me those sources, I want to know lol

What you lot have to remember is that the MEC is supposed to be a rich faction that can buy just about anything they want. For open desert warfare, having scoped-equipped rifles makes sense. Even the Norwegians - not exactly known for having the most high-tech, well-equipped army in the world - use and have used scopes on their AG3s in Afghanistan.

Imagine the amount of teamswitching to the US side.

And no one marches with a scope on their rifle.

[R-MOD]KP wrote:What you lot have to remember is that the MEC is supposed to be a rich faction that can buy just about anything they want. For open desert warfare, having scoped-equipped rifles makes sense. Even the Norwegians - not exactly known for having the most high-tech, well-equipped army in the world - use and have used scopes on their AG3s in Afghanistan.

well now that you guys remind I agree that it is a total fictional faction

and I believe the Norwegian Army has a deal with the US which give them their aimpoints and other optics lol. We have an over seas deal with them. Like a friendship type of thing. And not to mention they do purchase from us too lol

USMCMIDN wrote:well now that you guys remind I agree that it is a total fictional faction

and I believe the Norwegian Army has a deal with the US which give them their aimpoints and other optics lol. We have an over seas deal with them. Like a friendship type of thing. And not to mention they do purchase from us too lol

No. The Aimpoints are bought from Aimpoint.

They don't purchase from 'you' as such, they purchase from the companies who make them. Aimpoint, EOtech and all that.

Does someone know of tertiary things like that are done through military deals, or can a country directly ask the company themselves without interference from the federal government?

[R-MOD]KP wrote:No. The Aimpoints are bought from Aimpoint.

well obviously they purchase from aimpoint lol but the sales I am sure are through the US mil however.... I cant find it but I read someplace on aimpoints, Eotechs, and acog websights that they cannot ship outside the US themselves w.o strict permission. Ie if someone from Iran or china wants to buy an aimpoint they will not sell for risk of it being used against the US or allies. it goes for other countries as well.

and if a foreign military asks an optic company from the US it would def have to go through the federal govt to get permission for the sales or the military...thats wat I was getting at with the package deals the US gives equipment to other countries all the time....

MEC should definatelly keep their scopes. As for china, well, take some scopes, but not all of them.