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Turn Karbala over to the MEC

Posted: 2010-01-06 09:49
by Bellator
I suppose this is a variation on the already suggested MEC insurgency scenario, but I haven't seen this kind of an idea that I had.

In my opinion, Karbala and Ramiel are fairly similar, quite large insurgency maps. All be it, there be differences such as heli trans availability, quite different city design and to a degree the terrain. But overall, they're quite similar experiences, with heavy urban areas beset by quite open and large terrains of ... sand (and in Ramiel grass). Both have water in south. And in both maps, you have the US ARMY as the BLUFOR. Thus, to me, having both of these insurgency maps for the US ARMY is somewhat redundant, because they are so similar. I even keep mixing up their names: sometimes I speak of Ramiel when i'm referring to Karbala, and vice-versa, both are such similar experiences. My suggestion, I believe, would bring some variation to these two maps.

Just speaking for myself, I would very much like to see an insurgency map for MEC, because I like their design and rugged arsenal very much. And my suggestion is that Karbala map be given to the MEC, with MEC replacing the US ARMY as the BLUFOR. Whatever the back story is (perhaps at this stage, the MEC has invaded Iraq and captured Karbala, but the local population turned against them), its not hard to invent. In this way, you would have an insurgency map for more of the conventional armies (Al Basrah for Brits, Fallujah for the USMC, Ramiel for the US ARMY and Karbala for the MEC).

I don't know much about BF2 modding, but I can't imagine the transition to be that difficult. Just replace the assets and the BLUFOR, and the flags and other faction-specific props (if there be any), etc. The strykers could be replaced with BTR 60s, perhaps a T-72 could be included as well :razz: (or not if the map is not appropriate for such.). On a lesser note, the insurgent cell leader kit's primary weapon could be replaced with M16 or something, so that conflicting reloading animations can be avoided (if a mec soldier takes the cell leader kit, with its G3, wouldn't he reload the weapon improperly?).

At least, perhaps, Karbala could be a temprorary MEC map, a placeholder of sorts, given back to the US once (or if) the MEC are put to an insurgency map of their own.

Thanks.

Re: Turn Karbala over to the MEC

Posted: 2010-01-06 09:58
by DankE_SPB
i fully support this if BMP-3 will see some action on it :-P
on a serious note, i also believe this will bring some variation into gameplay, at least we dont have AK vs G3 maps yet :-)

Re: Turn Karbala over to the MEC

Posted: 2010-01-06 10:01
by Herbiie
I think this will be a good idea, I'd also like to see a Flying Cow in there somewhere, as they are pretty awesome Helicopters and aren't in many of the maps.

Re: Turn Karbala over to the MEC

Posted: 2010-01-06 11:35
by Chuc
Interesting proposition ;)

Re: Turn Karbala over to the MEC

Posted: 2010-01-06 11:45
by rampo
Well a transform from insurgency to AAS isn't that hard but i still like karbala as insurgency though the big open desert areas are an *** :p

Re: Turn Karbala over to the MEC

Posted: 2010-01-06 11:49
by NyteMyre
rampo93(FIN) wrote:Well a transform from insurgency to AAS isn't that hard but i still like karbala as insurgency though the big open desert areas are an *** :p
He's not talking about changing it to an AAS map.
He's talking about switching the US Army with MEC


I support this idea...for the sake of variation :p

Re: Turn Karbala over to the MEC

Posted: 2010-01-06 11:49
by Heskey
Turn Karbala OFF

Now there's a suggestion that would have won an award at the back end of last year ;)

It's like the designer made a city, and that was the map... But forgot to reduce the mapsize they were working off; so you have a nice little city, and THEN SOME of just NOTHINGNESS!

Re: Turn Karbala over to the MEC

Posted: 2010-01-06 11:57
by rampo
NyteMyre wrote:He's not talking about changing it to an AAS map.
He's talking about switching the US Army with MEC


I support this idea...for the sake of variation :p
LOL I must have typed that too soon after waking up.

Anyways it might be interesting to see it whit some Skycows :)

Re: Turn Karbala over to the MEC

Posted: 2010-01-06 12:04
by Technoelite
yes very good idea gets techys approval seal if that means anything now days

Re: Turn Karbala over to the MEC

Posted: 2010-01-06 12:13
by dtacs
Very interesting idea, TBH I see nothing wrong with it.

Plus its a tad realistic with the new insurgency activities in Yemen and whatnot.

AFAIK Saudi forces are currently combating them?

Re: Turn Karbala over to the MEC

Posted: 2010-01-06 12:27
by Bellator
Technoelite wrote:yes very good idea gets techys approval seal if that means anything now days
It means to me. :mrgreen:
Chuc wrote: Interesting proposition
Thanks.

I think my suggestion makes sense, even though I say it myself. Consider the amount of work your fellow development team has put to MEC and contrast that with the amount that the MEC is represented in 0.9, now that several maps are to be retired. Correct me if i'm wrong, but I think the MEC have like 3 maps, Al burj, Kashan and Muttrah (albeit the last one is more popular than all other MEC maps put together). And they have no insurgency map. This disparity could be corrected by removing the redundancy of having the US Army represented in two very similar maps. With MEC Karbala, you could introduce some variation to the popular Insurgency servers, have a MEC insurgency map which we lack, and solve the two problems (MEC being under-represented, the US Army over-represented in two very similar maps).

Ok. rant over. :smile:

Re: Turn Karbala over to the MEC

Posted: 2010-01-06 13:08
by TheLean
This is a good suggestion that will spice up the game and it is also very realistic. MEC vs Ins is similar to what we will see on TV in a few years from now in Iraq when the americans pull out and the Shia/Sunni violence escalates.

Re: Turn Karbala over to the MEC

Posted: 2010-01-06 16:36
by Potilas
+1

I love the idea. Why only coalition forces have privilege to fight against rebels? IRL arabst/muslims are very restless gang. They often fights againts their own goverment. Turkish (turks) military has fighted decades querilla war with kurds and Saddam Hussein also have to do military operations in northern Iraq to keep kurdish uprising low. In Afgan, tribers have been on warpath since day 1 when land was occupied. Muslims among themselves have bad blood between. Shias and sunni muslims shoots and bombs reguralry their fellow country mens. In terms of reality "insurgent vs insurgent" would be very possible scenario.

Nowdays insurgents fights mostly against legal power keeping goverment (<-internationally recognized). In fact we have demand for making MEC vs insurgents map.

I dont hate arabs or muslims. It just happens to be how things are here in planet earth. Peace.

Re: Turn Karbala over to the MEC

Posted: 2010-01-06 16:56
by Startrekern
Karbala and Ramiel are absolutely, ABSOLUTELY not the same experience!

Don't know why you'd say such a thing D:

I'd take Karbala over Ramiel any day.

Re: Turn Karbala over to the MEC

Posted: 2010-01-06 17:02
by Rudd
hmm, MEC would indeed be interesting.

the BTR would ofc be good, but there wouldn't be much in the way of support vehicles...

Re: Turn Karbala over to the MEC

Posted: 2010-01-06 19:07
by 1GeKKo3
Yeah its a good idea, except aren't the insurgents and MEC potentially on the same side. They both fight the US.

At first I though he was talking about making Karbala an AAS map and got me thinking that karbabla wouldn't be that good a map for it, but i reckon Operation Archer would be an awesome AAS map, although some flag zones would need to be built up a bit more.

Re: Turn Karbala over to the MEC

Posted: 2010-01-06 19:35
by ReadMenace
Mmmm... Then give MEC an urban reskin... Meow...

-REad

Re: Turn Karbala over to the MEC

Posted: 2010-01-06 19:47
by Phantom2
I like the Idea but you'd have to change the name of the MEC to Iraqi Police Force and you'd have to change the guns to AK's due to that's what they normally operate with them. I'd also be strange to have US go against the MEC but the MEC also goes against insurgency

Re: Turn Karbala over to the MEC

Posted: 2010-01-06 19:55
by ma21212
+ 1, MEC fighting ins. makes more sense cuz if thier was a "MEC" it wont allow BLUFOR to go into Iraq and take over.

Re: Turn Karbala over to the MEC

Posted: 2010-01-06 19:59
by SkaterCrush
Yeah I find there are too many true Blufor v Insurgents maps right now, I think it would be good to have this, it'll definately add variation to the map cycles.

Could this open up a China insurgency map...?