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So I've been arguing about having the Hueys armed as just gunships in the USMC maps and having a Marine transport helicopter made. I wanted to get some feedback that the programmers for PR can use on which aircraft to use.

Now as a Marine and a mechanic on the MV-22, I love the aircraft. But with some extended time on the game I realize that the aircraft is larger than most streets (from blade tip to blade tip is just over 84 ft. long). That's what has made me lean towards wanting the CH-46. Plus, I'm all about having maximum protection for an aircraft, and the Phrog wins hands down as the aircraft are right now. And I know that the MV-22 is replacing the CH-46, so I don't need anyone to remind me of that. But there are still CH-46s in the fleet and will be for a quite a few more years.

Anyways, post a comment on your thoughts on which aircraft you believe would be better to have.

What about the Mh-53, an other USMC chopper.

I really don't know why they use so many transport aircrafts.

Howitzer wrote:What about the Mh-53, an other USMC chopper.

I really don't know why they use so many transport aircrafts.

First off, only the Navy and Air Force use MH-53s. We use CH-53Es. And the whole purpose of the CH-53 is to lift heavy equipment, such as howitzers and APCs like the LAV-25 to further or unaccesible locations. We have as of right now 4 helicopter/tiltrotor transports. The CH-46E and the CH-53D, which are being phased out by the MV-22(the tiltrotor is its technical classification, not helicopter or airplane), and the CH-53E, which will soon be replaced by the CH-53K when it reaches producion. So it may look like we have a lot, but in reality you can't just replace a whole fleet of aircraft overnight.

The reason I did the MV-22 vs. the CH-46 is that they are the primary assualt transports for the USMC. Yes, the CH-53 can transport troops, but it's a fat target and the Marines try not to use it unless we absolutely, positively have no other choice.

i just wish we had everything the marines currently have

the mh-46

the ch-53

the LCAC {yeah i know its probably impossible with the bf2 engine}

the harrier { i think we might be getting this in the future}

the EFV

charliegrs wrote:i just wish we had everything the marines currently have

the mh-46

the ch-53

the LCAC {yeah i know its probably impossible with the bf2 engine}

the harrier { i think we might be getting this in the future}

the EFV

I'm getting sick of fixing people. You should do your research before trying to put in your 10 cents.

First off, it's the CH-46. THAT'S WHAT THIS WHOLE THREAD IS ABOUT!
The LCAC is used by the Navy, it says it on the side of the thing. So yes, we use them, but they are operated by the Navy.
And I posted this on another thread, but the EFV was cancelled due to it being over budget and many many years behind schedule. We were supposed to have fielded them years ago, and they weren't expected to be field ready for a few more years. That was almost the same situation with the MV-22, but it was originally an Army project until the late 90s and then the Marines took over with the Air Force supporting it.

marines pulled the lawndart (mv-22) out iraq and afghanistan i thought.

ankyle62 wrote:marines pulled the lawndart (mv-22) out iraq and afghanistan i thought.

Out of Iraq, yes. The Marines are pulling out of Iraq due to the fact that we're an attacking force, and the only place that needs to be attacked is Afghanistan. My squadron just dropped off the first MV-22s in Afghanistan 2 months ago for another squadron. And right now I know of 2 other MV-22 squadrons in line to go to Afghanistan. And the MV-22 is probably one of the least crash prone aircraft in military fleet right now. There has been less crashes with it than any other aircraft tested, and it hasn't had one since 2001, 9 years ago.

CH-46 due to the fact that it's do able with flight mechanics in game. It's small enough to land in the city (some places) on Muttrah, and since the BF2 engine limits the amount of players in vehicles, it wouldn't be a waste of polys vs. a CH-53. If you had a CH-46, 8 people would be a good amount and not a waste of polys, but it could also hold a couple of crates, enough to make and defend a fire base. Set up for Muttrah would be 2 hueys, ch-46 and a cobra. LBs aren't even in the USMC, right?

I'd say if you're working on anything, work on a CH-46.

cherrypointers wrote:LBs aren't even in the USMC, right?

No, the Marines operate the MV-22, CH-46, CH-53, UH-1, AH-1, F/A-18, AV-8, EA-6, and C-130 in the air wings.

The AH-6 and MH-6 are operated by the Army, so I keep wondering why I even see them on USMC maps.

darkside12 wrote:Out of Iraq, yes. The Marines are pulling out of Iraq due to the fact that we're an attacking force, and the only place that needs to be attacked is Afghanistan. My squadron just dropped off the first MV-22s in Afghanistan 2 months ago for another squadron. And right now I know of 2 other MV-22 squadrons in line to go to Afghanistan. And the MV-22 is probably one of the least crash prone aircraft in military fleet right now. There has been less crashes with it than any other aircraft tested, and it hasn't had one since 2001, 9 years ago.

you o level guy? does i level even touch these things yet? i hadnt heard anything about them when i was at miramar, but im guessing they are on the rotary side of the house.

ankyle62 wrote:you o level guy? does i level even touch these things yet? i hadnt heard anything about them when i was at miramar, but im guessing they are on the rotary side of the house.

There are some things I level handles. But the engines are still on contract with Rolls-Royce, so we ship them back for repairs. And all of the hydaulic components have to be shipped to the manufactuer for repairs. I level does things like avi components, hydraulic tubes and the likes.

And they are on the rotary side, but they will be based at MCAS Miramar because the runways at Camp Pendelton are smaller and the aircraft needs a hell of a lot more room than the CH-46. I should be going there in 2012 after my next deployment to stand up the last west coast VMM squadron.

darkside12 wrote:There are some things I level handles. But the engines are still on contract with Rolls-Royce, so we ship them back for repairs. And all of the hydaulic components have to be shipped to the manufactuer for repairs. I level does things like avi components, hydraulic tubes and the likes.

And they are on the rotary side, but they will be based at MCAS Miramar because the runways at Camp Pendelton are smaller and the aircraft needs a hell of a lot more room than the CH-46. I should be going there in 2012 after my next deployment to stand up the last west coast VMM squadron.

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Now a real reply: If you can model at all, give the Phrog a shot. The [R-DEV]s love it when people make suggestions and put real effort into their suggestion. Plus, the USA/GB is getting a Chinook, do it's even stuff out.

Well darkside, you know that my answer will be for the 46. First off, in this game you will not need a long distance transport (like the 22 is made for irl). Second, it can land anywhere. Third, the huey (irl) cant fly but like 6 people total including the crew, and i dont even know if it can do that with guns and ammo. (which i would love to see a huey with guns because irl they all have them) In light of the game aiming at realism, we need an assault transport which currently isnt being fulfilled, (if you look at the game in a true to life aspect) and the 46 is a perfect candidate. Probably why it has been in service for 46 years. The 46 also holds 12 people plus crew so it would be perfect for the game anyways. Just dont forget the .50 cals in the doors! Additionally the 46 would just use the same flight characteristics similar to other helos, as for the 22 you would have to do a lot of shit to add it in. Devs if you need any pics sounds or video of the glorious 46 i have a lot of it.

Search mate, Search is your friend. Dev's have talked about it, me and Rhino have argued about it a few times. At the end of the day they're being removed from service and PR takeing place in the near future means ideally they'll be out of use. I don't agree with it, I don't like it, but that's what they keep coming back to as their reason... once you finally remind them the Sea Knight is not a Chinook, they just both have tandem rotors.

For those who aren't aware PR already has the MV-22:


Back before training was official it was on Kashan, it was clearly still a WIP with some coding work needing to be done to make the tiltrotor transition smoother.

The MV-22 is a large, complex aircraft that's relatively limited in landing zones, but with half-decent piloting and maybe even some map editing it's workable.

It's RL seating capacity is irrelevant in PR, we're getting the Chinook regardless of the fact 1 could carry the entire team:


Is creating the CH-46 worthwhile just because it's easier to fly and land? Is PR set today or 'the near future'?

They're just the initial concept decisions, it's a lot of time and work to actually produce the asset.

blackhatch46 wrote:The 46 also holds 12 people plus crew so it would be perfect for the game anyways.

I've already mentioned this to the Dev's and they said the max any vehicle can hold is 8 including the crew. So for the Phrog it would actually be a pilot, 2 gunners, a "co-pilot", and 4 packs.

So far from what I'm reading, most people are wanting the CH-46. So even though it's getting phased out for the MV-22, I think people know what works best and would be better for this game.

Snazz wrote:For those who aren't aware PR already has the MV-22:


Back before training was official it was on Kashan, it was clearly still a WIP with some coding work needing to be done to make the tiltrotor transition smoother. However it's modeled and in game, whereas the CH-46 isn't.

The MV-22 is a large, complex aircraft relative to the choppers and limited in landing zones, but with some half-decent piloting and maybe even some map editing it's workable.

It's RL seating capacity is irrelevant in PR, we're getting the Chinook regardless of the fact 1 could carry the entire team:


Whether it's worth creating the CH-46 just because it's easier to fly and land, also depends on whether PR really is set today or 'the near future'. Because if it's meant to be today the Marines use both aircraft.

Once you've sorted that initial dilemma out with the DEVs someone has to model, texture, UV, animate, code and import it.

seating capacity is relevant in pr if you are carrying 6 guys plus pilots in a huey that cant do that irl. by the time you take of and roll the nacelles to 0 you will need to roll them right back to 90 if you use accurate speeds and flight characteristics of the 22. thats what i meant by saying the distance 22s where made for wont be used in game. believe me this is very apparant in ARMA2 where the 22 is pretty much usless. and its a horrible model by the way. i often wonder where people get models of military planes sometimes. its like they havent ever seen or heard them, not even in videos. much less talk to someone whos around them. that wouldnt take too much effort really.

on that note too, if you guys make the 22 or the 46 or any other USMC aircraft for that matter, ask us about it! myself and darkside12 (im sure there are others too) are helo mechs with the USMC, we know what it should be like and can provide info, pics and video.

blackhatch46 wrote:on that note too, if you guys make the 22 or the 46 or any other USMC aircraft for that matter, ask us about it! myself and darkside12 (im sure there are others too) are helo mechs with the USMC, we know what it should be like and can provide info, pics and video.

blackhatch46 can give you all a lot of CH-46 info, whereas I have a lot of MV-22.