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I suck. Period. I'm always placing in the top 3 places on COD4 MW2 (360), I'm a crackshot in ArmA 2, I'm pretty damn good in Far Cry 2, and I'm a virtuoso OFP2 (360). But for some odd reason, I can't kill ANYTHING in Project Reality. The three different times I've played I've played the game the way I always thought it should be played. We took it slow, using whatever we thought constituted as military tactics (whether we've seen them from movies or we had ex-soldiers leading us is unsure), and I really enjoyed it. That's how I've always wanted to play games, and was always dissapointed when nobody played that way. However, when I finally get a chance to play this way, I can't kill anything. First off, I can never see anybody, but they always seem to see me. I'll be laying down in some grass, quietly and patiently scanning the horizon, when suddenly I hear an explosion and my screen goes black. Sometimes, I'll be running, see a guy, drop to one knee, take aim, and fire-- but I'll miss completely even though my sights are on him and he'll turn and fire off a spray that kills me in instantly. Sometimes, I'll be running and I get shot at, and my screen goes all blurry, so I hit the dirt and the moment it all clears up, I'm dead. Othertimes, I'll be the only guy in the 6 man squad to get taken out-- and I'm always the medic.

So it seems that the only times I can ever get a kill is in a vehicle, in COOP, or with a grenade in a trench. The other times, I always play medic, and I'm pretty good at being a medic. Now I know it's nothing game wise, although the ACOG sights that I have to choose as a rifleman piss me off, especially in an urban environment. I've never to this day gotten a kill with the assault rifle scope. So it seems to be I'm not doing something right. Of course, I can't expect to be an expert marksman my third day playing (I never played BF2 for more than 5 minutes before PR, simply because that kind of gameplay doesn't make sense to me), but I expect to at least get some kills accidentally. But it seems even when I'm stationary in prone, and when my sights are lined up on the chest/back of a stationary enemy, my single bullet from single shot fires off a whole foot to the enemy's left. This, of course, alerts the enemy and he's able to turn, center his sights on me, and take me out in a single shot. Even when I do make the shot, it doesn't seem to even make him flinch, and he's able to turn and shoot me anyway.

I'm just at a loss here. I'm confused. Looking at some videos, I noticed a lot of people are running on lower graphics than normal. Could me having the graphics up actually hinder me? Maybe not everybody is seeing the grass I'm seeing? My FPS is outstanding, and my computer is great, and my ping is always between 50 and 100 on the servers I play on. But it seems that I can never spot an enemy first, and if I do, they always manage to kill me before I can fire off a second shot.

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So what kind of tips do you guys have for picking and properly disposing of targets? In the situations I've described, what am I doing wrong? Are there functions in game to simulate breathing or wind that I haven't calculated for? Should I aim up a centimeter or two to account for gravity? Just looking for some friendly tips and hints any of you may have for a total noob. I don't know any of the physics or game play functions built into the engine or coded in for PR. Just assume I don't know anything else beyond the basic functions of movement, stance changing, weapon switching, and pressing the trigger.

Thanks in advance.

Don't worry, you're not the only one feeling that way
I think one of the biggest things is knowing the map itself
some of the players know the map inside out, which is probably why they could out flank you
So i guess one way to kill more would be to play more and eventually find secrets within the map

Personally, I get most kills with the AR because it's pretty much spray and pray
Maybe you'd like to give it a try?

I hope these two tips helped!

This thread should help you.

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f10-pr ... guide.html

Just be patient. I've been playing PR for about 1 1/2 years, and I'm still not that great.

Knowing the map does help a lot. Plus, you can usually get a rough idea of what the enemy will do.

On PR, it usually takes a few seconds for the sights to settle in (like 6 seconds I think), so if you see him and he doesn't see you, take your time. Wait about 2 seconds between shots for the rifle to level back out. If your within 50m or so, switch to burst or automatic and let him have it.

Not too sure on what else I can help you with, but these are a couple of pointers I got and they've helped a whole bunch. Other than that, just play, remember, it's a game and to have fun while playing.

When it comes to engagements I usually use auto/burst for distances up to around 50-75m, getting bullets downrange to suppress the target and eventually hitting. You just need to learn how to counteract the recoil and there's no need to settle for accuracy, just crouch and aim. Past 75m it's too inaccurate so semi-auto is what you should use and you need to start settling your rifle. Wait 3 seconds minimum(5 for full accuracy), go prone if you can, take about 2-3 seconds between each shot.

Any target that is already prone will have an advantage at anything past short range so if he's engaging you when you start aiming in you will most likely die. So, if you see someone who's prone and aiming at you that is not a fight you want to pick. Maneuver and nullify the target's advantage in accuracy before you engage, It is extremely important to pick your fights.

As for the mechanics of the game, there's a 5 second settling time(That gets reset if you go prone or up from prone, increases by 1 second for every second of movement up to 5 seconds), there's no bullet drop until 400m I think.

You dont usually get kills as a beginner, well i didnt anyway. Especially if the server is good and the teams are organised but its like any other game practice and you become better by learning the maps and how to hit a target etc

Patience is key Time your shots and try not to rush into things

Rohok wrote:Othertimes, I'll be the only guy in the 6 man squad to get taken out-- and I'm always the medic.

LOL sounds like one of our admins (Hey Tom1c)

Killing enemies is cool and fun, BUT REMEMBER: Kills don't always mean you did well for the team. Countless times me and my squad have ended up between 10-20 kills per squad but we have secured / defended some very important locations on the map for our team. And losing them would be catastrophic for the rest of the team.

Anyway, knowing the maps helps a lot. Also knowing the game mechanics helps too, like Tartantyco explained earlier.

Ultimately the only way to achieve better is to play and play and play. Good luck

All point of PR is not about who gets more kills,its about completing the objectives,helping your team to win the round.

90% of the kills anybody make are easy ones, when you're in a much better position than your opponent. So don't think too much about aiming (thou it does count), try to find good players and tell them you're new, but willing to learn.
Pretty much any vet will be happy to help a new guy if he really wants to learn PR.

You most likely forgot the bullet speed.

Aim in front of enemy when they move sideways relative to your point of view and just get a feel for the speed of the bullet by calculating the time between mouse click and bullet kick up dust near/on your enemy.

There is one tracer round in every 5 shots(1st of 5) that you can use as a guide for shooting ahead of the enemy.

Other times, you need to realize that facing someone more prepared(ex: someone already proned and is aiming at you when you are still running) than you will almost always result in your death. That is why AR is really powerful when properly setup, because prone+deploy = death to anything that AR guy can see/can damage(awesome accuracy+high ROF, and the suppression effect).

Btw, you are supposed to run to a solid cover(deviation of elevation on the ground, solid wall...etc) before stopping and trying to recover from the suppression effect.

Whoever makes that first accurate shot wins the firefight, so if your opponent has better accuracy than you, you can only flank, or take cover(for 5 sec) then lean out of cover a little(under 1 sec) to try to take him out with the relatively settled accuracy.

Suppress> killing

Most engagement really happens with 5 or 6 guys getting killed in some cases a medic gets to revive the bunch. I go by the rule to always put as much metal down range as I can possibly do to keep the enemy heads down. Sadly most squad members dont understand that and purposely only shoot when they actually have a chance for a kill I have seen tons of AR guys just waiting to see the guys instead of keeping a continuous stream of fire. That makes me an easy target.

Most of my kills are easy once when I see the enemy 50-200 meters away and he waits for something or we have set up an ambush, ambushes is so underrated in AAS and it has such a good effect on the target. Racked up 3 kills (in one encounter got 17 in the end) with the AR by hiding in Yamlia when a squad moved in you lit up the place where you saw their legs behind some bushes they did not stand a chance, for the first you have the moment of surprise voip is pretty clear because you have gone over it one minute before or longer, the squad ambushed will never get the information through their squad voip because everyone is screaming about enemy SW or W etc.

If you can pick the fights your destined to get a good score kill death wise if the enemy choose their ground alot you will get hammered.

If neither choose their ground(random encounter) or you know there will be an attack I prefer using 5 mags to much then 3 mags to little tbh. and those fights are more random of who gets out alive or not. But a good squad has of course a better chance to survive then an average or bad squad in a good squad I mean squad who keeps one hammering on teh enemy squad and just dont wait for a lucky situation where they can head shot.

EDIT: Squads are the most important thing in this game with a squad you have 6 pair of eyes instead of one you have medic etc. Dont run around keep a low profile and try to get to cover or at least hold yourself into a wall and not in the middle of streets etc.

Look up some guides on BF2 hitregistration, it's woeful, then look up "Random Deviation" and have a think about that. You are basically probably hitting them every time, but are used to games with good (hell, even passable) hitreg/netcode and a more intuitive system of inaccuracy than deviation.

All your problems are caused by these two things, and I feel your pain, keenly. It's very rare for me not to come top three in MW1/2 games, likewise I'm an excellent OFP and ARMA player, but in PR, my positioning on the scoreboard is pretty much random, going from #1 all the way down to the bottom of the server, irrespective of what I was trying to do that round. And it's not like I don't know a little about tactics, actually being in the military and all, but real life tactics, contrary to what most people in the PR community believe, have almost no place at all in PR and are more likely to get you killed than allow you to achieve an objective.

PR is just a slave to BF2's inadequacies.

Most of the bullets used in war don't hit anyone. Same goes for PR. You should also account for deviation so when you see someone, stand still for a few seconds, then shoot.

Nobody will become a good player alone and nobody is always on the top. It's all about teamwork. If you can't get a shot have your squad mates do it.

Just aim down your sights, take a deep breath and fire with short pauses between each shot. There's no other way.

My best tip is find a couple of friends, get online, measure up 50/100/150/200 metres with the markers and fire off a few rounds using your friends as static targets. Literally, train on shooting. You can do it on any target but it's a little more amusing talking meanwhile and the player targets can report back when hit or missed.

This way you will learn a bit about how to shoot on static ranges. Don't just train on singlefire either, semi and full auto is nice to know how long distance you can reliable engage a target.

Move up to CQB's, join a skirmish server and run some close fighting. Learn the spray&pray thing.

As for terrain and people seeing you first, well, this is mostly a map and engine knowledge thing. Play to learn the map. BF2 doesn't render well at distances (that has changed a bit in the new 0.9 release I believe), mountains can make it look like you are levitating in the air while behind the ridge etc...But of course experience counts for a lot. Cover your mates and have them cover you. Patience, know when to lie low and when to run. Best tip.

Good luck out there.

Lan wrote:You dont usually get kills as a beginner, well i didnt anyway. Especially if the server is good and the teams are organised but its like any other game practice and you become better by learning the maps and how to hit a target etc

Extremely confusing to have two people with the same nick but that's life.

if all else fails drop your guns....im not kidding if you put your hands up with the unarmed kit some ppl wont shoot you. (i did it 3 times and was only shot once b/c the guy was a lone marksman and im guessing he was a little paranoid)

tip #1: have a mic and use the voip

join a squad, stick with squad, follow squad leader's orders and markers; if there are no orders or markers then ask squad leader for some.

also: stick with rifleman kit for a while (10 hours of play).

and: do NOT drive/crew any vehicles until you have practiced in training or co-operative mode.

Rohok wrote:First off, I can never see anybody, but they always seem to see me. I'll be laying down in some grass, quietly and patiently scanning the horizon, when suddenly I hear an explosion and my screen goes black.

That's basically to do with the distance which short grass appears, you're often not really hidden in that stuff it's only close range decoration.

The tall grass/field of crops actually provide concealment.

i make alot of maraculis kills, and peaple come up to me and go HTF are you still alive?

your best bet is to crouch, sight in, wait a few seconds, then fire...

More or less, when the other guys do not know where i am, i treat my gun as a sniper rifle, i take it slow, i center on there movement, i scan to see other targets that might see me, i shoot a stationary target.

if a squad is close to me, i have them open up from a nother location, and then i fire agian, one shot, stationary target.

your best bet, if you want to kill, is find some good cover, like a hill or a wall, and crouch down behind it, then fire just over the lip, evan if they see you, there more likley to hit the obstical rather then you.

My best advice, contrary to what most peaple will tell you, is TO grab the sniper rifle, go with a spotter to a good location, and practice with the sniper rifle, that is how i became good at one shooting the other team, i got practice with the sniper rifle, and that helped me with my aim.

To help me with my reflexes while playing, i did stupid stuff... I would run past a tank in the open, and do my best to ruvive, i ran with bullets hitting all arround me, and eventually you almost get used to it and can cope with where it came from, and figure out the best location for cover. If you get shot at, scan the area for cover. Get to it, and scan for cover the other guy might be using, if you think you spot him, alert peaple, get more eyes over there, so he is suppresed, and move up with your squad to take him.them out.