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Extreme drop in FPS

Posted: 2010-02-19 19:45
by BloodBane611
I stopped playing for 3 or 4 days, when I tried to start playing again yesterday I was was having extremely low FPS, displaying as 15 (ie minimum) in PR most of the time. Prior to this I had no lag issues at all, now every map completely lags out for me in certain areas, especially areas with high numbers of statics.

I've done a complete reinstall of BF2/PR, and picked up the latest drivers for my gfx card, not really sure where I should go next.

Re: Extreme drop in FPS

Posted: 2010-02-19 20:01
by turnpipe
[R-COM]BloodBane611 wrote:I stopped playing for 3 or 4 days, when I tried to start playing again yesterday I was was having extremely low FPS, displaying as 15 (ie minimum) in PR most of the time. Prior to this I had no lag issues at all, now every map completely lags out for me in certain areas, especially areas with high numbers of statics.

I've done a complete reinstall of BF2/PR, and picked up the latest drivers for my gfx card, not really sure where I should go next.
Gonna take a wild guess and say windows 7 is using a lot more memory.

Re: Extreme drop in FPS

Posted: 2010-02-19 20:13
by Spinkyone
Could do with system specs really.

If it's a sudden change and you're one of the few v0.9 worked for then it could well be a case of wiping your shaders in MyDocs, especially if you've been playing other BF2 mods.

Other than that it could be the now infamous 0.9 lag that a lot of people are experiencing and reducing textures to medium can help. If you have Crossfire / SLi, some "X2" version of a card I believe you're screwed and the lag is random owing to dodgy memory allocation, reducing settings to lower memory usage is the only solution of sorts.

Re: Extreme drop in FPS

Posted: 2010-02-19 20:35
by BloodBane611
turnpipe wrote:Gonna take a wild guess and say windows 7 is using a lot more memory.
Err... It used to work amazing with no changes. Windows 7 uses about 800 mbs for me, I don't know why everyone always brings up windows as the problem.
Spinkyone wrote:Could do with system specs really.

If it's a sudden change and you're one of the few v0.9 worked for then it could well be a case of wiping your shaders in MyDocs, especially if you've been playing other BF2 mods.

Other than that it could be the now infamous 0.9 lag that a lot of people are experiencing and reducing textures to medium can help. If you have Crossfire / SLi, some "X2" version of a card I believe you're screwed and the lag is random owing to dodgy memory allocation, reducing settings to lower memory usage is the only solution of sorts.
It's not a shader problem, I removed user profiles when I uninstalled/reinstalled BF2, so the shaders got wiped with them. I'm running an 8600M GT, it was running beautifully earlier this week. Anyhow, I turned down the textures, which seemed to help a little bit, but turns out I still have very low FPS. It's displaying as 15 (minimum) in PR, even on maps I used to get 30+ on.

Re: Extreme drop in FPS

Posted: 2010-02-19 21:27
by SnipingCoward
yeah specs would be nice...
a 8600M is an integrated card i am assuming you are running it on a laptop
i get my quality drivers from here: NVIDIA & Laptop News | Latest NVIDIA drivers and related news | laptopvideo2go.com

a sudden change in performance might indicate system instability
try reverting your system with system restore
run "chkdsk c: /r" and
run defrag
check in bios if settings are still ok - (shared memory for gfx, ram speed, clock rates)


after reinstalling nvidia drivers it sometimes resets settings - check if its still configured correctly (e.g. changed from performance mode to High quality mode)

i like to blame punkbuster alot - try to manually reinstall it

leave the pc up and running over night so it can finish its indexing and what else win7 likes to do

ofc - scan for viruses
check your background processes

did you loading times increase too?

Re: Extreme drop in FPS

Posted: 2010-02-19 21:33
by Volcano
there is something def wrong with the code.

my specs: intel e8500
geforce 285 gtx
4gb ddr2 ram
1tb 7200 sata drive
windows xp
latest drivers

vanilla BF2, any map, anything on screen
at 1920x1080 all settings max, 2x AA never dips below 100fps

PR 0.87
1920x1080 all settings max, no AA. lowest fps (damn fallujah) was about 40 something

PR 0.9
1920x1080 light, textures, geometries mid, rest high no AA lowest is 32 fps
1920x1080 all settings low..... lowest fps 40..... wtf
1600x900 light,texts,gemo mid rest high no AA lowest 34 fps...

heck i tried moving view distance which i never touch under any circumstance... gained 5fps... =/

cannot find any setting to move, to actually get decent all around fps, tried changing drivers... everything else, defrags, paging etc nothing at all. sometihng is choking the bf2 engine

Re: Extreme drop in FPS

Posted: 2010-02-19 22:31
by Volcano
BTW, with my laptop, i used to have a degrading performance over time, found out it was actually dust that made my GPU's temp rise and thus trottle down... give it a good cleaning, if its compressed air, make sure you hold the fan still or you could damage it by making it spin too fast

Re: Extreme drop in FPS

Posted: 2010-02-19 23:02
by turnpipe
There it is, its getting hot.
Get a desktop.

Re: Extreme drop in FPS

Posted: 2010-02-21 08:15
by BloodBane611
Okay, turns out it most likely is overheating. After allowing the computer to cool down all the way (shutdown for 10-15 minutes, casing feels room temperature) I've started it up and played PR, with FPS decreasing as the temperature of the computer increases.

Re: Extreme drop in FPS

Posted: 2010-02-21 10:59
by SnipingCoward
remove the side panel to allow more air to get in, see if the problem still persists

dedusting the fans and coolers, between drives definitly helps

if you know how to - you can renew the cooling liquid between coolers and chips (i.e. CPU, GFX chip, Nbridge and what not)
one time I was removing the cooler off my NB-chip and saw that the cooling liquid got burnt -> bad - the mobo was already severely damaged and i had to replace it

have a look at the mainboard and cards and see if capacitors are leaking, bloating or rusting (http://www.mad-monkey.co.uk/resources/p ... acitor.jpg) this means grave system failure is imminent and the part needs to be replaced ASAP

getting new or optimized gfx drivers can help you with heating problems

Re: Extreme drop in FPS

Posted: 2010-02-22 06:30
by Volcano
also, after reading some other posts, PR 0.9 has some issue with performance... hopefully next patch or hotfix will sort that out

Re: Extreme drop in FPS

Posted: 2010-02-22 08:19
by ConscriptVirus
hey i'm also stuck with a 8600m GT 256mb DDR2 on a laptop. what settings are/were you running?

here's mine:

terrain- medium
geometry- high
lighting- medium
Dynamic lights - off (not really needed IMO since PR is more about smoke than flashing lights)
Dynamic shadows- low (tho im starting to play with Off)
Effects - medium
Texture - medium (used to be high in previous versions)
Texture filtering - medium
AA- off
view distance- 98%
running at 1920x1080

in most maps its really smooth with these settings. some maps are just complete disasters (fallujah) but still somewhat playable, and some other maps just lag in specific places like in specific tall grass areas) but overall its rather playable.

Re: Extreme drop in FPS

Posted: 2010-02-23 19:47
by BloodBane611
My computer is a 2008 macbook pro, I took it into the mac store earlier today and confirmed that the GPU is dying. It's a known problem with the old macbook pro GPUs, so I get a freebie new one. Thanks for your help SnipingCoward!

As far as running settings, at 1440x900 I originally ran all high, with AA off, and 100% view distance. That slightly lagged on some maps, so I dropped down to all medium, AA 2x, 100% view distance a few weeks ago. We'll see how it goes when I get my new logic board.

Re: Extreme drop in FPS

Posted: 2010-02-23 20:38
by RoadRunner2009
I have a similar problem. Before I had no problems whatsoever on the same system. Now I get terrible FPS (ping of 20+/-) that sometimes smooths out to above 40fps, then drops back to 5-15fps. When my player is moving during the FPS lag he sort of skips along quickly.

My system:

Vista 32bit
Dual Core 2.5Ghz
9600M GT
4GB RAM (inceased page file too)

I came back to PR a couple of weeks before 0.9 came out, before when I used to play it was smooth as silk.

vBF2 runs fine on 64 player maps with no hiccups, so does PR0.9 when I create local server.

Re: Extreme drop in FPS

Posted: 2010-02-23 20:52
by maarit
RoadRunner2009 wrote:I have a similar problem. Before I had no problems whatsoever on the same system. Now I get terrible FPS (ping of 20+/-) that sometimes smooths out to above 40fps, then drops back to 5-15fps. When my player is moving during the FPS lag he sort of skips along quickly.

My system:

Vista 32bit
Dual Core 2.5Ghz
9600M GT
4GB RAM (inceased page file too)

I came back to PR a couple of weeks before 0.9 came out, before when I used to play it was smooth as silk.

vBF2 runs fine on 64 player maps with no hiccups, so does PR0.9 when I create local server.

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f10-pr ... plate.html

theres some problems...i hope that they fix those cos i have bored to just play yamalia and muttrah :(

Re: Extreme drop in FPS

Posted: 2010-02-23 21:09
by Dr.Roy.Mustang
Hi there, I am also experiencing the same problem. I have a Window 7 installed on a computer with the following specs:

- 4GB DDR2 RAM
- Nvidia 9600 GT
- GFX setings = All high
- Anti-alias = x4
- Resolution = 1920 x 1080

When I played Fallujah West, my FPS in the previous version was 45 FPS, now it dropped to 15 FPS which makes me unplayable. Any suggestion how to fix it? Other people on the same squad are are also experiencing this issue. However, I would like to address it first. It doesn't happen to all map though. I switched to medium and same thing happen!

Re: Extreme drop in FPS

Posted: 2010-03-04 13:14
by RoadRunner2009
I found the problem, overheating!

I gave my laptop some more breathing space and it completely fixed the problem, steady FPS of 50+.

My temps were:

Before - GPU 90C highest

After - GPU 72C highest

Re: Extreme drop in FPS

Posted: 2010-03-04 17:52
by pdxmark
Dr.Roy.Mustang wrote:
- Nvidia 9600 GT

- Anti-alias = x4
I just gave this card(EVGA) to my brother... It does not handle Anti-Aliasing very well. I had to leave it off in most games, including PR, to recoup frame rates.

It will do 8xAF in PR well though!

Re: Extreme drop in FPS

Posted: 2010-03-07 22:35
by Hunt3r
I've had run ins with overheating graphics cards before... so I run my GPU fanspeed at 100 percent, even though it doesn't really need it. It's not very loud though, it's just a constant hum, that is drowned out by sound from PR.

In general the max GPU temp never exceeds 60C, I believe.