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If memory serves, then the Russian Forces get some 2-3 30mm BTR-80As, and 3 regular BTR-80s. And the Canadians get 4 LAV-III's. In my opinion the Armor concentration is heavily biased towards the Russians with their higher amount of firepower in Armored personnel carriers. I have used the LAV-III two times in 0.9 on Yamalia and engaging enemy BTR-80A's were quite the challenge. AFAIK, the BTR-80 will take in about 30 rounds of the slower, less powerful 25mm Bushmaster, but when compared to the 27A2 that the BTR-80A's have, which are quicker, much more powerful, the LAV-III will take no more than about 15-20 before being destroyed, and this will happen in a much faster manner. Does anyone think that the vehicles are somewhat unbalanced on Yamalia?

They get 2 BTR-80As 3 BTR-80s (maybe 1 less or 1 more) and a very sneakily placed BTR-60. Fair enough they have MORE vehicles, but the 3 times ive faced an LAV in a BTR ive been destroyed in seconds, this was at long range and in dense trees. Also remember the BTR-80s have smaller cannons and therefore are no as effective as the LAVs.

The BTR80As will eat an LAV for breakfast, that unfortunately is just how it is when your enemy has a massive gun on his roof and you dont. However, the LAV shouldnt be getting beaten by a single 14.5mm BTR80......

Sorry, but face to face the russians lose armor firefights! Also the CF have their chinooks, which provide them within minutes from start with heavily fortified firebases. As I see it, the forces are pretty balanced out.

Canadians get Eryx

Russians get tandem RPG

imo Eryx > RPG due to guidance

therefor balance exists,

Why does everything have to be balanced?

EVERY map needs to be balanced

Balance DOES NOT MEAN identical assets, it means that each team needs a 50% chance of winning if both teams have equal skill, and I think yamalia is actually a good example of a balanced map that isn't perfectly symmetrical.

Ive had no problems defeating BTR80A's with LAVIII's. In fact thus far the closest to one that ever got to defeating me was when it got the jump on me. In the end I still tracked and the destroyed before i was tracked myself.

Canadian should got one L2A6M-C... that will balance the thing...

Yamalia is a great map because it is so simple. Nothing complicated.

I would prefer to be on the CF side in LAV's anyday over the Russian BTR's

Overall, the map does seem fine to everyone, but for the number of vehicles that the Russians can operate, I think it would be appropriate if another LAV was added.

it seems to me that the btr beats out the lav in head to head combat due to the high rate of fire of the btr. of course if the btr surprises the lav they win.
however, if the lavs ambush the btr or if they move together, they can usually take apart the btrs pretty quickly ( I think the btr is less well armoured, correct me if i am wrong).

When I play russians I usually find enemy apc driving around the open where they are simply more visible than the btrs due to their size.
Lots of people forget that armored vehicles need cover too, remember to put your armor hull down so the enemy will have to be much more accurate to deliver actual hits on you while you can fire alot easier.

Ive tried driving and gunning BTR-80a's on yamalia a few rounds and it sucked.
BTR-80a has a bigger gun, but it seems like its less armored than the LAV, also the gun on the BTR will overheat before u can pwn a LAV. BTRs are looong, thus easier to hit and spot, and their big gun has only 150 AP rounds and no HEI (WTF?!!? Is that a bug or its the same IRL)

Nebsif wrote:no HEI (WTF?!!? Is that a bug or its the same IRL)

A known and reported bug. You can switch to HE rounds using toggle weapon key (deafault: F) but you can't access them directly using slot numbers.

Ah so they exist! cool! tyvm

Nebsif wrote: But it seems like its less armored than the LAV,

Yes, but you have more firepower

Nebsif wrote: also the gun on the BTR will overheat before u can pwn a LAV

fire in bursts and you can take LAVs apart before they get a chance to put serious fire on you

Nebsif wrote: BTRs are looong, thus easier to hit and spot

true, but they are also lower, and only their gun is high up meaning you can hide most of the apc behind a hill with just the gun over the top, this makes you extremely hard to hit effectively while you can fire just like normal

anyways, like everything else in PR, both have pros and cons, if you use your advantages and avoid having the enemy exploit your disadvantages, you usually end up winning. I do believe Sun Tzu has something to say about this matter.

BTR=meaningless, there's a massive difference between the BTR90A and the others...

Like i said, 1 Leopard 2A6 and the thing is all good to go for Canadian, BTR80A together will punch trought a L2A6 and with the HAT/LAT and every thing, Russian would had plenty of way blowing up that baby, while canadian using proper tactic and teamwork will manage to crush every thing on the map.

LAV v BTR is fine, even against the ones with the larger guns. with the lav maneuvering is a very important thing to keep track of, you are much slower than the BTRs. so use maneuvering to your advantage, cut around the outside edge of a hill and pop out at a BTR for mid to long range combat or just be partially concealed behind something. never get into a short range fight

Remember that Canadians have 2 guided heavy-AT kits. They give one hit kills against BTR's over great distances and level the balance significantly. Russians have only their tandem warhead RPG's.

Hotrod525 wrote:Like i said, 1 Leopard 2A6 and the thing is all good to go for Canadian, BTR80A together will punch trought a L2A6 and with the HAT/LAT and every thing, Russian would had plenty of way blowing up that baby, while canadian using proper tactic and teamwork will manage to crush every thing on the map.

And this comes from a Canadian? That would COMPLETELY ruin balance on this map. I don't see any way for any amount of BTR-80A's on Yamalia to defeat a Leopard. It's perfect as it is. As mentioned the Canadians already get a guided H-AT and the Russians don't.