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Why isnt the chinook armed?
Posted: 2010-02-26 23:30
by FuzzySquirrel
Like the title says.
Imo, Either Arm all the Transports or dont arm any...
Re: Why isnt the chinook armed?
Posted: 2010-02-26 23:38
by Drunkenup
It does seem that most of the transport choppers are armed in PR. Except a few, but I don't believe the UH-1N has onboard weapons in the Transport role.
But yeah, a Ramp mounted M240 would prove useful on the Chinook.
Re: Why isnt the chinook armed?
Posted: 2010-02-26 23:48
by FuzzySquirrel
Armed Trans
Chinese Z-10
Mec Mi17
US UH60
Unarmed
GB MH101 Merlin
US/CAD/GB Ch47D chinook
GB Lynx
USMC UH1N Huey
Quiet the opposite Drunk, Most are unarmed, All of which are Blufor.
Also a M240 on the Rear Ramp isnt plausable since it closes, but adding doors with 240s or the Rare M134s would be nice
Re: Why isnt the chinook armed?
Posted: 2010-02-26 23:54
by shribey22
I remember reading somewhere that it is because the devs want to discourage the use of transport choppers as attack platforms
Re: Why isnt the chinook armed?
Posted: 2010-02-27 00:03
by Drunkenup
FuzzySquirrel wrote:Armed Trans
Chinese Z-10
Mec Mi17
US UH60
Unarmed
GB MH101 Merlin
US/CAD/GB Ch47D chinook
GB Lynx
USMC UH1N Huey
Quiet the opposite Drunk, Most are unarmed, All of which are Blufor.
Also a M240 on the Rear Ramp isnt plausable since it closes, but adding doors with 240s or the Rare M134s would be nice
True, but wouldn't you think that shooting off whatever is chasing you from behind would be more useful than shooting off the side?
But the ones that happen to be armed are those from vBF2 and come with those weapons.
But in some aspects I do support your argument, Transport helicopters should have some way of defending themselves one way or another.
Re: Why isnt the chinook armed?
Posted: 2010-02-27 00:34
by CodeRedFox
shribey22 wrote:I remember reading somewhere that it is because the devs want to discourage the use of transport choppers as attack platforms
Bingo
When the opportunity is there it will be done.
Re: Why isnt the chinook armed?
Posted: 2010-02-27 02:37
by dtacs
They are so impractical anyway (.50's on the MEC/Chinese chopper are useless) that it wouldn't encourage attack platforms. The BH isn't used as one atm is it?
Re: Why isnt the chinook armed?
Posted: 2010-02-27 02:44
by FuzzySquirrel
[R-DEV]CodeRedFox wrote:Bingo
When the opportunity is there it will be done.
You do realize just because you take the primary weapons off a helicopter people will still use it for a HAT/SAW/AA/Anything platform...Right..?
Re: Why isnt the chinook armed?
Posted: 2010-02-27 02:46
by Rhino
dtacs wrote:They are so impractical anyway (.50's on the MEC/Chinese chopper are useless) that it wouldn't encourage attack platforms. The BH isn't used as one atm is it?
You would be amazed how many times I've seen people trying to use the Chinese/MEC helicopters as gunships with just the 50cals.... And yes this is in PR.
FuzzySquirrel wrote:You do realize just because you take the primary weapons off a helicopter people will still use it for a HAT/SAW/AA/Anything platform...Right..?
Not if we stop them from shooting from inside the choppers.
Also guys the main reason why we dont currently have door guns on choppers is because we aint made any door gun stands etc + we want a good GPMG/M240 model too before we do.
For the Lynx etc we do already have GPMG door gun mounts ready, we just need a decent GPMG to put on them.
Re: Why isnt the chinook armed?
Posted: 2010-02-27 03:20
by Rissien
Just in transport role got people firing off the weapons just because they can already, cant remember a round where I havnt told them to stop shooting them. I have seen the occasional case where one would circle around infantry *reminded me greatly of the AC-130 in Modern Warfare 2* firing with the .50. I myself actually did this once on Beriut in a cow quite effectively. Once armor came around i pulled out though.
Also seen plenty of times where the cows on Yamalia with .50 cals being used in attempts to fire on Chinooks, was fun once when we had two Chinooks flying circles around a chopper trying to shoot us down, we actually managed to make him crash as he tried following us.
Re: Why isnt the chinook armed?
Posted: 2010-02-27 03:57
by Rudd
Also seen plenty of times where the cows on Yamalia with .50 cals being used in attempts to fire on Chinooks, was fun once when we had two Chinooks flying circles around a chopper trying to shoot us down, we actually managed to make him crash as he tried following us.
I've seen some effective chinook hunters as well
one day I'm sure the weapons will get added.
Re: Why isnt the chinook armed?
Posted: 2010-02-27 06:01
by Shooter90
[R-CON]Rudd wrote:I've seen some effective chinook hunters as well
one day I'm sure the weapons will get added.
In my opinion, I think this version in PRSP is just a proof of concept model before adding in more weapons. However primarily a Chinook is used as a aerial transport vehicle and not a weapons platform. Since the Battlefield engine is only supporting a max of 8 people in the vehicle, it's unlikely they might release a second version with machine gun mounts since they primarily designed them for only troop transport.
Looks like you might need some
teamwork from your infantry and other assets to protect the choppers.
Posted: 2010-02-27 06:39
by hartbilt
Who's your Daddy??
It's not really a good offensive weapon, but great defense. Keeps the enemies heads down while performing insert/extract.
Use the edit button instead of double posting.
Re: Why isnt the chinook armed?
Posted: 2010-02-27 06:55
by FuzzySquirrel
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Re: Why isnt the chinook armed?
Posted: 2010-02-27 08:54
by hartbilt
yeah, same to me, I'm not sure why
Re: Why isnt the chinook armed?
Posted: 2010-02-27 09:18
by Snazz
hartbilt wrote:Keeps the enemies heads down while performing insert/extract.
Provided the enemy is exposed, lightly-armed and within the firing angle.
Otherwise your door gun isn't going to make any difference in PR whatsoever.
Re: Why isnt the chinook armed?
Posted: 2010-02-27 09:22
by Qaiex
I'm actually glad they didn't add door guns to most transport helicopters.
You hardly ever need them ingame to shoot at enemies anyway.
And as a pilot I can tell you that the most annoying god damn thing in the world is piloting the flying cow or the blackhawk and having the noob-******** spamming the doorguns at nothing, for no apparent reason.
It's enough that I have seriously considered crashing the helicopter to get rid of them.
Re: Why isnt the chinook armed?
Posted: 2010-03-08 00:30
by StuTika
[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:You would be amazed how many times I've seen people trying to use the Chinese/MEC helicopters as gunships with just the 50cals.... And yes this is in PR.
Not if we stop them from shooting from inside the choppers.
Aww come on Rhino, you take all the fun out of it! Shooting from inside choppers is not all that effective and a bit of fun when you do it!
Same goes for door guns. However, I don't think using them to give troops you've just inserted some fire support is entirely unrealistic.
Stu.
Re: Why isnt the chinook armed?
Posted: 2010-03-08 07:12
by Ford_Jam
Once I saw a guy suggest we smash a bunch of infantry attacking us on Kashan with the BH's guns.
The whole team thought it was a brilliant idea.
Every MEC soldier turned their weapons to the sky and shot it down :\