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[vehicle operations] Invisible child objects

Posted: 2010-03-06 16:12
by Redamare
This idea first came from "Startrekern" who was posting on a (how to, airdrops) thread

the idea may not work for manned vehicles but should be tested if its workable.

So the main idea is that there is the main object / Vehicle such as an APC or Helicopter and you want to get more than 8 seats for players to ride inside or ontop.
The origional plan was such as in the chinook have the normal 8 seats at the front of the vehicle then have an Invisible Overlay of a secondary object on which players can sit.

when they Bailout in Chinook for say they will exit inside the Mother object on the walking deck. when you want to Enter the vehicle you either enter at thee rear OR walk to the front and enter there.

Issues that came up while discussing was object bouncing when the vehcile was moving. as in you are flying around and the front 8 people loook back and see that the Rear 8 people are having some sort of "Orgy" AKA bouncing up and down due to the child object trying to catch up with the main object.

i dont know how this "ORGY" problem can be fixed though so that is why i made this thread. Try and discuss and review ideas that a Child object overlay can come in handy at Slow speeds or if its possible , incoorporate the idea into a faster larger vehicle.

Origional post:
Startrekern- "Is it possible to have multiple "vehicles" with no collision in the same exact place moving the same exact way? ("attached" but not actually attached). There could be several 8-person spawns, turning red when each one was full. No collision would allow the 'vehicles' to appear to be just one big one, but actually separate ones. Is this possible?"

Re: [vehicle operations] Invisible child objects

Posted: 2010-03-06 16:18
by killonsight95
i think if they could do this they would :P

Re: [vehicle operations] Invisible child objects

Posted: 2010-03-06 16:21
by rushn
didnt they try it before?

I think a better way would be making vehicles enterable like have an automatic opening door and then people have to run inside the APC and stay there instead of pressing default "e"
I think forgoten hope had that with the bomber or glider?
here is the video

YouTube - Forgotten Hope - Crete 1941 Paratrooper Assault

there were going pretty fast and I did not see anyone die or get TKed

Re: [vehicle operations] Invisible child objects

Posted: 2010-03-06 16:24
by Startrekern
The idea was for the airdrop plane. The reason this wouldn't work for vehicles like the Chinook I think is that there would be issues with getting into the vehicle. You'd have to have separate entry points for both the actual thing and the child object..

Re: [vehicle operations] Invisible child objects

Posted: 2010-03-06 16:25
by robert090993
rushn wrote:didnt they try it before?

I think a better way would be making vehicles enterable like have an automatic opening door and then people have to run inside the APC and stay there instead of pressing default "e"
I think forgoten hope had that with the bomber or glider?
here is the video

YouTube - Forgotten Hope - Crete 1941 Paratrooper Assault

there were going pretty fast and I did not see anyone die or get TKed
isnt Forgotten Hope 1 for bf1942? And anyway, when you do it liek you said, the driver ends up team killing

Re: [vehicle operations] Invisible child objects

Posted: 2010-03-06 16:35
by Smegburt_funkledink
rushn wrote:there were going pretty fast and I did not see anyone die or get TKed
robert090993 is correct, that video is from BF1942.
Startrekern wrote:The reason this wouldn't work for vehicles like the Chinook I think is that there would be issues with getting into the vehicle. You'd have to have separate entry points for both the actual thing and the child object..
That doesn't seem like much of an issue to me.

Re: [vehicle operations] Invisible child objects

Posted: 2010-03-06 16:37
by rushn
there is got to be a non traditional way to do this

Re: [vehicle operations] Invisible child objects

Posted: 2010-03-06 16:41
by Rhino
killonsight95 wrote:i think if they could do this they would :P
yes, its not possible to do this via a normal child object.

Re: [vehicle operations] Invisible child objects

Posted: 2010-03-06 16:57
by l|Bubba|l
[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:yes, its not possible to do this via a normal child object.
What about a vehicle that spawns inside the actual vehicle? Just a tiny little box that would be enclosed by another box somewhere in the vehicle.

Re: [vehicle operations] Invisible child objects

Posted: 2010-03-06 17:00
by Rhino
l|Bubba|l wrote:What about a vehicle that spawns inside the actual vehicle? Just a tiny little box that would be enclosed by another box somewhere in the vehicle.
that would most likley destroy both vehicles and spaz out the server :p

Re: [vehicle operations] Invisible child objects

Posted: 2010-03-06 17:11
by Startrekern
[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:that would most likley destroy both vehicles and spaz out the server :p
And I'm guessing it's impossible to have the child vehicle not have collisions, because it would then be separated from the parent vehicle..

Re: [vehicle operations] Invisible child objects

Posted: 2010-03-07 01:39
by DevilDog812
Draakon wrote:What about glueing into the vehicle? For example, in a Multi Theft Auto: SA(A multiplayer modification for GTA:San Andreas)had a /glue command. When a played typed that command, he was glued to the vehicle. Like on a car roof. And we know that sync is horribile in there so normally a player would fall off from the roof when not using the /glue command. But with that, the player was literly glued to the vehicle.
this isnt grand theft auto...

Re: [vehicle operations] Invisible child objects

Posted: 2010-03-07 01:46
by rushn
enterable vehicles I think you do not get killed when the vehicle is slow

Re: [vehicle operations] Invisible child objects

Posted: 2010-03-07 02:00
by Tofurkeymeister
There is a video for a BF2 mod somewhere where they turned off the collision mesh in a helicopter/plane and could just ride in it (albeit in a glitchy manner). I can't find it as of now, though.

Re: [vehicle operations] Invisible child objects

Posted: 2010-03-07 03:01
by rushn
Tofurkeymeister wrote:There is a video for a BF2 mod somewhere where they turned off the collision mesh in a helicopter/plane and could just ride in it (albeit in a glitchy manner). I can't find it as of now, though.
what do you mean glitchy manner?

is it the one with the merlin?

Re: [vehicle operations] Invisible child objects

Posted: 2010-03-11 19:58
by killonsight95
Draakon wrote:So? Both can use the same idea.
possibly if its within the engine capabilities, since we're using the vBF2 one we a re limitd to what exactly we can do with it

Re: [vehicle operations] Invisible child objects

Posted: 2010-03-11 23:59
by Celestial1
Draakon wrote:So? Both can use the same idea.
Not all games are built on the same engine.

Re: [vehicle operations] Invisible child objects

Posted: 2010-03-12 03:28
by Garmax
It can be done.

just not well.. so thats why its not been implemented, YET