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I remember in my old America's Army 2.0 days that a DEV once answered a question if AA: Ops was bad for children

"Every mission can be accomplished without killing anyone"

This made me think. If EVERY player, both in your team and the opponent team, did EVERYTHING FLAWLESSLY, would that mean that you will have a round with zero casualties?

For example, if your squad is under attack and you fall back properly. Or vica versa you attack a position with enough suppressing fire that the defenders have no choice to fall back.

Well the statement that every player has done everything flawlessly leads to the assumption that their accuracy has been flawless as well. Therefore they cannot miss when firing their weapons, will surely hit their targets and kill them.

So no.


I do love rounds where I don't die though

Is this an espisode from the Twiglight Zone.

Jigsaw wrote:Well the statement that every player has done everything flawlessly leads to the assumption that their accuracy has been flawless as well.

Yeah okay, i mean strategically flawless
I'm trying to find a scene from a series where something like this happened. Where 2 forces were "making attacks" but in the end nobody did a thing.

NyteMyre wrote:Where 2 forces were "making attacks" but in the end nobody did a thing.

Sounds like the most boring round of a video game you could imagine

But again I would have to say that it is figuratively impossible for both sides to be completetly and utterly flawless, for the simple fact that if you execute a flanking manouvre and that does not result in you being in a position to kill your enemy then the move has failed, so you have not been flawless.

Nice thought but its not possible.

That wouldnt change a thing...

Flawless is one-sided win but with everything made perfect

So when 2 squads meet one dominates and pushes the other back with or without killing. The "worse squad being together and all that...

If they had flawless accuracy, but the enemy had flawless medics that revived them, and flawless tactics that dictated the casualty stays behind cover for 2 mins so they don't become dead-dead next time they are shot. But then if an aircraft made a flawless air strike which would kill the most amount of people in one bomb, would they be dead-dead? but no, the aircraft wouldn't even get that bomb off because it would be destroyed by a flawless AA gunner before it got the bomb off, but the aircraft would survive because it knew not to fly in that area anyways because of flawless intelligence that was given by the flawless commander who will lead his flawless team to a flawless victory against a flawless enemy who has flawless accuracy and flawless armor support that knows the best location to be and knows how to avoid HAT kits. So that flawless armor would destroy your FOBs and kill your buddies, unless your flawless TOW gunner takes out the tanks, along with some flawless mine placement to deny the enemy an advance........

I recommend you do not read that^

My conclusion is that if both teams are flawless, then the game would play out normally because the flawlessness of each team would cancel each other out.

RELEASE_THE_KRAKEN wrote:If they had flawless accuracy, but the enemy had flawless medics that revived them, and flawless tactics that dictated the casualty stays behind cover for 2 mins so they don't become dead-dead next time they are shot. But then if an aircraft made a flawless air strike which would kill the most amount of people in one bomb, would they be dead-dead? but no, the aircraft wouldn't even get that bomb off because it would be destroyed by a flawless AA gunner before it got the bomb off, but the aircraft would survive because it knew not to fly in that area anyways because of flawless intelligence that was given by the flawless commander who will lead his flawless team to a flawless victory against a flawless enemy who has flawless accuracy and flawless armor support that knows the best location to be and knows how to avoid HAT kits. So that flawless armor would destroy your FOBs and kill your buddies, unless your flawless TOW gunner takes out the tanks, along with some flawless mine placement to deny the enemy an advance........

I recommend you do not read that^

My conclusion is that if both teams are flawless, then the game would play out normally because the flawlessness of each team would cancel each other out.

What he said
and he thought this way too far out!

Of course. Flawless means no deaths, ask the A-Team. If one team plays like them, and the other team like some nub bad guys, you have a 0 death round

Seriously: Only one side can be 'flawless', or the round will simply never end because noone is killed or pushed back ever.

RELEASE_THE_KRAKEN wrote: My conclusion is that if both teams are flawless, then the game would play out normally because the flawlessness of each team would cancel each other out.

You're story made me sad
Anyway, you're saying that if everyone did everything right it would be a draw.........that actually sounds kinda right.

Jigsaw wrote:Well the statement that every player has done everything flawlessly leads to the assumption that their accuracy has been flawless as well. Therefore they cannot miss when firing their weapons, will surely hit their targets and kill them.

So no.


I do love rounds where I don't die though

+ Medics = no deaths

McLuv wrote:+ Medics = no deaths

Nah mate, cos I as I said if they other team are perfect they'll flank while you're healing and kill you. Or they'll kill you again in less than 2 minutes so you'll definitely die.

This is just impossible through both logic and the fact that all humans are in some way fallible.

Here's the video i was talking about. Yes it's anime...


I just uploaded it, so might not be available yet

Jigsaw wrote:Nah mate, cos I as I said if they other team are perfect they'll flank while you're healing and kill you. Or they'll kill you again in less than 2 minutes so you'll definitely die.

This is just impossible through both logic and the fact that all humans are in some way fallible.

But the medics are also perfect (revives/heals everyone). And every player is perfect (stays alive for the 2 minutes).

0 deaths in a 'everybody is perfect' scenario, no matter how you look at it (though it still only works in theory).

If it was possible for one side to play so flawlessly that they purposely suppressed, and managed to capture all flags with both sides having no losses or casualties, I'd be pretty surprised, because the other side probably consists of guys staring at each other in main.

u can copy the threadquestion into reality. capturing the bunker/the hill/ the compund without casualties= perfect.
any dead soldier is a loss and seizing it to the value of the objektive is a very delicate thing.

In real life perhaps you could have 0 casualties, but in videogames (where life has little to no value), it's ridiculously unlikely. Most players (even in PR) will eventually feel the need to do something stupid to try and get the enemy, especially since the punishment is generally a 30 second respawn + a walk back, which isn't too terrible.

Also, I would point out that the flawless actions of one team require the enemy team to make mistakes. In order for you to kill someone, they must be in a reasonably exposed position and have failed to suppress you. If the medic revives that person, it's because you failed to kill their medic using HE/suppressive fire on your enemy's body.

So there are no flawless rounds, and even if there could be, the likelihood of no one dying in them would be infinitesimally small.

NyteMyre wrote:Anyway, you're saying that if everyone did everything right it would be a draw.........that actually sounds kinda right.

Actually, I'd say it was more of a logical impossibility for both sides to be performing perfectly. The situation can't exist, therefore there can be no outcome.

Through days of research and function modeling, I have developed a shitty graph explaining the quality of team A versus the the quality of team B.



As you can see, as one team approaches flawless, the other team approaches noob. Both teams being flawless does not exist because the point does not lie on the curve.

Also note the equilibrium that most games fall into as more often than not, both teams are made up of average players. So most games lie somewhere around the gray point.


i'll go back to studying...meh

War wouldn't be hell without casulties. Thinking that no deaths can occur for each side is a fantasy and physically impossible.