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Is it possible to make HEI-T hurt people inside armored vehicle ? Cause basicly that how it work, it will punch on the armor making shrapnel inside of the vehicle. It might not breach the armor, but its a fact that the blast will make shrapnel inside of it.

I dont have any "website" source. Only this :

You DO need a source for this kind of suggestion...

goguapsy wrote:You DO need a source for this kind of suggestion...

If you get the picture you might actually know it might not need a source.

Off topic:How are the Canadian 2a4 feeling?Our one's still polluting the air.

IIRC, damage to the crew and passengers have been up for discussion before.

In my opinion, PR would not benefit from having lots of empty armour vehicles sitting all around the map instead of respawning.

I dont think that can be done with BF2 because of hard coding maybe something like Jdam?

rushn wrote:I dont think that can be done with BF2 because of hard coding maybe something like Jdam?

wait what does Jdam do that relates to this

There used to be a bug where laying a mine and butting C4 on it would cause the occupants of an armoured vehicle to all die if the C4 went boom.

On top of that, I seem to remember that firing some shells right next to the armour would occasionally hurt the inside occupants.

It's obviously possible, and I'd much prefer to see that vehicle warfare be about either killing the inside occupants or getting a mobility kill forcing any occupants inside already to get evac or w/e. the argument that "I'd rather they eventually respawn then remain abandonned" is useless as it's possible to set a "time-to-live" type command where after entering and leaving they will have a set amount of time prior to dying.

Or, hopefully, if the devs ever do decide to create a recovery vehicle, we could get that to play a role using either implosion or python based hooks to then pull the vehicles back to base

A little variation would also be nice, as I'm sure the APSD rounds would still go "right" through certain armour, so it should be able to kill any occupants hit as it goes through? I'm thinking especially with vehicles such as the Humvee / Civilian cars where this really should be happening but it doesn't >.>

that's also the idea of the british hesh-round if I'm not mistaken

well it is very much possible to hurt the occupants, remember the old molotov bug ?, that was fixed by moving the crew 50 m underground instead of in the hull. so a molotov effect within the HEAT round that would be very shortlived would be able to hurt the crew without killing them.

that being said, i do not think this would be beneficial to armor warfare of the mod, also some tanks might have better room and would not cause damage etc. would be hard to manage a proper balance.

Im confused on what you are asking? And APC glitched over a bridge?

xatu miller wrote:If you get the picture you might actually know it might not need a source.

Looking at the picture the vehicle seems solid.

Now, I have no military expertise at all, but as far as I know the High Explosive rounds from Bradleys, for example, do almost no damage at distances greater than 1.5 meter to infantry targets... Equivalently it wouldn't even shake the hull of an APC, talk about a tank

But I'm not sure about this. I have no source at all.

goguapsy wrote:Looking at the picture the vehicle seems solid.

Now, I have no military expertise at all, but as far as I know the High Explosive rounds from Bradleys, for example, do almost no damage at distances greater than 1.5 meter to infantry targets... Equivalently it wouldn't even shake the hull of an APC, talk about a tank

But I'm not sure about this. I have no source at all.

That's exactly the point. That picture is of Hotrod :/

I cannot speak for other countries IFV, APCs etc... but the US ones are meant to withstand certain rounds and provide crew and passenger protection to AP. I know the USMC LAV and USArmy Stryker can withstand AP 14.5mm rounds (they can stop them no problem) and the AAV (with upgraded armor( I forgot what the upgraded armor is called)) even has a 90% chance of withstanding against 14.5 AP rounds. I have never seen a HEI-T round but what I have read they cannot penetrate as deep as AP rounds. I would assume if 14.5 AP rounds cannot penetrate certain APCs and IFVs other larger and smaller caliber HEI-T rounds wouldn't touch it because they lack the armor penetration the AP rounds can do.

Now I am certain if a 125mm HEI-T were to hit a IFV its gone but if a 30mm HEI-T round hit it there could be a chance of crew protection. However I am sure the armor would eventually cave in after numerous hits but after a couple of times hit in one spot I would think it would be just fine.

Here are the SPECS of a 30mm round that is not AP (this was taken from a Russian Gunship)...
Armor penetration (60° sloping at 1,000 m): 18 – 20 mm (Which if I still remember correctly the LAV and Stryker have thicker hulls)

so in conclusion it also matters distance and angles too. A lot of variables to think about.

i think we are talking more about squash warheads , but modern armours does much to counter that. I think you need a lot of explosive force to do that , but i guess your better off using that explosive force for Armour Pirecing

High explosive squash head - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia , for those who don't know what it is .........

On Yamalia VW my driver was killed when our tank was hit by AP :\
His body went flying into the air and I was left alone in the gunners seat taking pot shots at anything that rolled by.

IIRC heat rounds aren't designed to pierce armor. Armor Piercing rounds, emphasis on piercing, lol, are.


So unless you have evidence that HE rounds go through certain apcs and kill the people on the inside.. please post

I believe he is talking about 'Spalling' and most modern vehicles have spall liners on the interior of the Armour to defend against it