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got a chance to shoot a M249 SAW the other day, my quick feedback.

Posted: 2010-04-04 00:23
by A-10Warthog
so i spent some time at an indoor range my friends friend works at and had a chance to shoot a full auot M249 SAW and i had some comments to leave about it compared to pr.

in PR thats all i do when i can is AR, so i have quite a lot of time ig playin with it. and when i shot it at the range it felt a bit "different" i havent played in over a week so i need to go back ig to check some things but one thing i noticed (granted it was an indoor range) the sound seemed a lot "sharper" and virturally recoilless or so it felt, not to mention deadly accurate. i was impressed how someone like me with no experience shooting automatic rifles was able to "get behind it" and be that accurate with it. granted i shoot guns quite a bit and am a very good shot at long distances ( .223 bushmaster predator i shoot with). also note all this was standing, using a bipod. and with the bipod down IG, its spot on imo. im going ig to toy around with it some.

Re: got a chance to shoot a M249 SAW the other day, my quick feedback.

Posted: 2010-04-04 00:31
by Charliesierra-RCR
what was the distance? a 5.56mm round doesnt drop till after 200meters, and plus you said it was indoors, 200+ meters then you have to adjust your windage, i've done many ranges with the C9a1 (Canadian version of the M249) Im not knocking what your saying, it is a very accurate weapon, when your doing simple ranges

Re: got a chance to shoot a M249 SAW the other day, my quick feedback.

Posted: 2010-04-04 00:34
by boilerrat
Wrong section btw.

Re: got a chance to shoot a M249 SAW the other day, my quick feedback.

Posted: 2010-04-04 00:36
by boilerrat
Charliesierra-RCR wrote:what was the distance? a 5.56mm round doesnt drop till after 200meters, and plus you said it was indoors, 200+ meters then you have to adjust your windage, i've done many ranges with the C9a1 (Canadian version of the M249) Im not knocking what your saying, it is a very accurate weapon, when your doing simple ranges
Bullets drop as soon as they leave a barrel.

Re: got a chance to shoot a M249 SAW the other day, my quick feedback.

Posted: 2010-04-04 00:42
by Solid Knight
boilerrat wrote:Bullets drop as soon as they leave a barrel.
Depends how much lift the bullet can generate. So rise before they begin to fall.

Re: got a chance to shoot a M249 SAW the other day, my quick feedback.

Posted: 2010-04-04 00:44
by boilerrat
unless the bullet has fins on it, gravity will force it down as soon as it leaves the barrel.

Re: got a chance to shoot a M249 SAW the other day, my quick feedback.

Posted: 2010-04-04 00:44
by A-10Warthog
yeah it was fairly short i forgot what they said, i believe it was no more than 150 yards. ill call my friend and ask him. and yeah i fucking fail wrong section.

Re: got a chance to shoot a M249 SAW the other day, my quick feedback.

Posted: 2010-04-04 00:49
by Charliesierra-RCR
So Boil, explain for me how come we set our C79 sights at a minimum for 200m, for 200 and less, if the bullet drops before 200m, wouldnt it have a different impact on a target from 100m and the 200m?

Re: got a chance to shoot a M249 SAW the other day, my quick feedback.

Posted: 2010-04-04 00:56
by boilerrat
Wrong place to argue about this.

If you want to argue more:

STEAM = fatguyzeno.

Edit : User was warned for "useless/unhelpful posting". When you're having a bad day, please blow your steam out of the window rather then on these forums, thank you ;)

Re: got a chance to shoot a M249 SAW the other day, my quick feedback.

Posted: 2010-04-04 00:59
by Howitzer
Because the bullet drop is NEGLIGIBLE (within 200m). Get some physic books, the truth smells like cherry.

Re: got a chance to shoot a M249 SAW the other day, my quick feedback.

Posted: 2010-04-04 00:59
by ChiefRyza
A bullet travels down when fired only if the barrel is completely horizontal to the surface, however gun sights are configured (zeroed) so that it actually gets the user to point the barrel slightly upwards, causing the bullet to arc upwards ever so slightly, then when the bullet begins to fall and crosses over with the sight's zeroed point it below horizontal and you have to start compensating.

If I'm not mistaken CA did this? But the way tracers work in game make it look completely random so we have to make do with the current system (which is quite OK by me.)

Re: got a chance to shoot a M249 SAW the other day, my quick feedback.

Posted: 2010-04-04 01:03
by Teek
It has been said a few times on this fourm in balistics threads that a bullet will rise relative to the line of sight, the line of sight is not parallel to the bullet or the flight path in order to zero it at range.

Re: got a chance to shoot a M249 SAW the other day, my quick feedback.

Posted: 2010-04-04 01:26
by Charliesierra-RCR
ok i was mistaken, thanks for explaining it!

what i think i shouldve said was, you wouldnt need to adjust your sights for anything under 200m?

Re: got a chance to shoot a M249 SAW the other day, my quick feedback.

Posted: 2010-04-04 03:30
by Sgt.Heine
Shooting a 223 is like a bb gun.i was in many military riffle comp shoots and they are like bb guns.

Re: got a chance to shoot a M249 SAW the other day, my quick feedback.

Posted: 2010-04-04 07:06
by A-10Warthog
which is why i love 223 ahahaha. cheap and fun. and not painful like my M1 Garand and wow did this go way off course.

Re: got a chance to shoot a M249 SAW the other day, my quick feedback.

Posted: 2010-04-04 07:40
by Kim Jong ill
Guys 5.56mm NATO is not .223, try firing 5.56 in a rifle designed for .223 and then post the results.

Re: got a chance to shoot a M249 SAW the other day, my quick feedback.

Posted: 2010-04-04 09:19
by Kim Jong ill
Was I referring to the OP or was I referring to the discussion at hand? Way to go, do you feel all big now?

Re: got a chance to shoot a M249 SAW the other day, my quick feedback.

Posted: 2010-04-04 09:28
by Hunt3r
ChiefRyza wrote:A bullet travels down when fired only if the barrel is completely horizontal to the surface, however gun sights are configured (zeroed) so that it actually gets the user to point the barrel slightly upwards, causing the bullet to arc upwards ever so slightly, then when the bullet begins to fall and crosses over with the sight's zeroed point it below horizontal and you have to start compensating.

If I'm not mistaken CA did this? But the way tracers work in game make it look completely random so we have to make do with the current system (which is quite OK by me.)
All rounds are tracers and have realistic drop values in CA.

The bullet, once fired, will immediately begin to drop after leaving the barrel. When you zero in the gun, you are angling it up relative to the sights, thus you are zeroing it, and it appears that it is going up before it goes back down, relative to your view.

Anyway, for either realism or gameplay purposes, weapons will be relatively inaccurate in PR, and so that's pretty much that.