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No lag map core

Posted: 2010-04-15 02:39
by HAAN4
Guys, i kwon you in Great britain and USA got real cheap and powerfull PCs, but in brazil you can get the lastest tecnology only by paying a execive money, Yes powerfull PCs are expecive here.

So the sugestion is a simple one, Build up a No lag map mod, i will glady do this for PR and brazilian comunity, but. i can't open the PR maps, so. i must require a kidda of Key or something,

I can't do much, but i guess i can take out the grass, since Desert maps still run in my PC, and the quantity of grass in jungle maps has grow in HUGE PORPORTIONS. i guess be that i can remove a several part of the Lag.

I Need to do this, because i am certaim the brazil is one of the main comunitys that play and love PR, so i Guess i need to do something about it.

Thacks.

Re: No lag map core

Posted: 2010-04-15 02:44
by Dev1200
HAAN4 wrote: i am certaim the brazil is one of the main comunitys that play and love PR,

Thacks.


After reading the "Which part of the world are you from?" thread, brazil was like 5-7% o_o


ANYWAY

Just join servers your rig can play on. Low latency maps such as kashan are your only bet here. Also, play on lowest settings.


Also, Newegg.com - Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, LED LCD TV, Digital Cameras and more! IIRC they can ship anywhere. If not.. you can always try amazon or something. You can get some cheap parts.


Also, remember to balance your rig. Getting the best graphics card won't change anything unless you have enough RAM and CPU speed.

Re: No lag map core

Posted: 2010-04-15 02:44
by HAAN4
And if you still have the Maps of 0.86, remenber those ones i has abble to play whictout any lag, so is a good way to cut unecessary work, by just loading up and creating a MOD so servers can but at it.

The Brazilian comunitys only have started to fight agaist insane ammoung of lag after 0.901.

So i guess this information can help the comunity to do something about it.

But yet, don't forguet my. i wish to do something 2.

On brasil Vanila works autmost in any Computer, but if you PC work a Crisys for exemple, you can be pround of you PC, The real problem is the guys how aren't afected by 0.901 are the ones how got Extra badass PCs and they are rarely ones.

So my mention is, PR bring fun to much people, Right? So why it can't bring fun to much more? thick about other countrys other people, they all must kwon PR. that's what i thick.

Thacks again

Re: No lag map core

Posted: 2010-04-15 02:53
by Dev1200
For the newest maps, everyone's getting lag. The BF2 engine can't support so many statics and such.. it's not just lower end PC's. I spent $1500 on my PC, 3 ghz quad core CPU, 6gb ram, and ATI HD 4850. On max settings while looking at the grass in Yamalia, I get around.. 20 fps. Thats unplayable for me when your used to 102fps all the time ^u^

Re: No lag map core

Posted: 2010-04-15 03:28
by Rhino
There is no point on splitting the playerbase for people with high and and low end systems, it would most likley be the begging of the end of PR:BF2 if we did that.

We will be optimizing PR for low end users as we go but we will not be making a low end mini-mod.

Re: No lag map core

Posted: 2010-04-15 04:20
by Dev1200
High Quality, Low Drag.


However, if EVERYONE lags on the high qual maps (such as Yamalia with the endless grass) it sounds like somethings up..

Re: No lag map core

Posted: 2010-04-15 08:46
by Maxfragg
seriously, its GOOD that PR requires better PCs than BF2 does, i mean, otherwise, PR would look like a 6 year old game

Re: No lag map core

Posted: 2010-04-15 11:07
by BurkeSooty
Hey,

I think a lot of people are having similar problems HAAN4, myself included. And ignoring for a second that there's probably something wrong (or was) with certain maps I think the main thing that results in Low FPS for me is the amount of detail on a map. Prior to .9 the only maps I really coudn't play were Quinling and Korengal, Kozelk was a close call though, as was Ramiel (mainly when in the city).

The thing about these maps is that they have lots and lots of detail ( at least they appear to to me), quinling has oodles of trees, same with kozelk and korengal, but korengal has lots of grass to hide in too. Ramiel has lots of enterable buildings, in fact, Muttrah could be lumped in with that too, I can just about SL on muttrah, as it affords me the chance to hang back and not use my weapon quite as much.

don't get me wrong, of course the game must move forward, and when (or if...) I get a new computer hopefully these issues will not matter for me, but this will still leave all those without access to good computer on the PR scrapheap.

I started a thread a few weeks ago about servers running a limited maplist of only those maps that low end comps could handle and maps that were known to not have any .9 issues. It didn't really go anywhere, I perhaps wasn't clear enough, and there was some pedantry.

HAAN4, perhaps you could approach a south american server with a similar idea, maps like kashan (my favourite map, I'm no longer able to tell if that's because it's my least laggy or because its got jet and attk heli layers) with lower detail.

here's the thread I started:

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f10-pr ... rvers.html

Posted: 2010-04-15 11:16
by HAAN4
And about making a mini MOD, why not?

Just wipe out all Low grass that only chuck noris is ablle to hide. (and belive me, there is ALOT of those grass)

But true, we not necessary need a Mini Mod, just improve low detail to not deploy many details of the map that aren't necessary for tatical insues. just has grass (not hight grass that can be use has camuflage)

[quote=""'[R-DEV"]Rhino;1322310']There is no point on splitting the playerbase for people with high and and low end systems, it would most likley be the begging of the end of PR:BF2 if we did that.

We will be optimizing PR for low end users as we go but we will not be making a low end mini-mod.[/quote]

If you make my a PR mapper i can try. why not?

[quote="Maxfragg""]seriously, its GOOD that PR requires better PCs than BF2 does, i mean, otherwise, PR would look like a 6 year old game[/quote]

Why? this is just status imo. what make PR won is Playbility not grafics. besides it will be a insult to cut off all hard work that DEV did to make beutifull but laggy maps, so. making a Mini mod for brazilian comutys for exemple shall be the best ideia, since I rarely see anyone of other nationality there, and brazilians don't go much often to other's servers has well.

Re: No lag map core

Posted: 2010-04-15 11:39
by AfterDune
We have an edit-button for a reason, HAAN4...


I think servers that play maps that are small and/or not demanding much is the way to go if your pc really can't handle PR anymore.

I have a server up and running, not doing much. I could set it up to only play the maps lower-end pc's can handle. Give me a list of maps that run good on low-end pc's and a good amount of "votes" (people that would want this) and I'll set it up.

Doing a separate mod just because there are players that have low-end pc's is a very unrealistic thought, sorry.

Re: No lag map core

Posted: 2010-04-15 11:41
by killonsight95
HAAN4 wrote:If you make my a PR mapper i can try. why not?
Modding Tutorials - Project Reality Forums
PR:BF2 Community Modding - Project Reality Forums
do it yourself
the DEV's arn't going to waste time making a mini mod for a tiny part of the community also have u noticed that hardly anyone has said this is a good idea the reason is because it'd split the community and possible destroy the mods player base

Re: No lag map core

Posted: 2010-04-15 12:08
by HAAN4
killonsight95 wrote:Modding Tutorials - Project Reality Forums
PR:BF2 Community Modding - Project Reality Forums
do it yourself
the DEV's arn't going to waste time making a mini mod for a tiny part of the community also have u noticed that hardly anyone has said this is a good idea the reason is because it'd split the community and possible destroy the mods player base
I can do the mapping thing, but how to open PR maps at all? seens they are all bloked by a kind of lock key, how i desable that, it's required a autorasation? if it is, can someone give me it?

also when it is finished, I will send to PR and then you will make a Exe thing to unpack to run in a server right?

And brazilian Comunity is't tiny has you thick, they are just a bit insolasionist, since mostly of then just write topics on the Servers forum, but we got 3 Servers, and alot of players. so i don't thick this is a tiny comunity at all. and more, the comunity just keep growing.

off course this map will help alot, since how get a Ultra PC (instead of a good one) will ablle to run the game whichout ANY LAG or ANY SMELL OF LAG.

Re: No lag map core

Posted: 2010-04-15 12:26
by killonsight95
i ahve very cheap £300 computer i can run PR fine on low
you don't need a big computer youjust need a good graphics card tbf

Re: No lag map core

Posted: 2010-04-15 12:33
by Outlawz7
killonsight95 wrote:i ahve very cheap £300 computer i can run PR fine on low
you don't need a big computer youjust need a good graphics card tbf
It's been said, just a new graphics card isn't enough, the rest of the PC needs to be able to support it. Before I upgraded my PC, I also though 'hey just need a new gfx card' then my wallet found out the hard way.

Re: No lag map core

Posted: 2010-04-15 12:45
by HAAN4
[R-DEV]AfterDune wrote:We have an edit-button for a reason, HAAN4...


I think servers that play maps that are small and/or not demanding much is the way to go if your pc really can't handle PR anymore.

I have a server up and running, not doing much. I could set it up to only play the maps lower-end pc's can handle. Give me a list of maps that run good on low-end pc's and a good amount of "votes" (people that would want this) and I'll set it up.

Doing a separate mod just because there are players that have low-end pc's is a very unrealistic thought, sorry.
Agreed, we don't need to separet the mod, if we where ablle to place it has a Option to servers to use those Low detail maps, everone may enter in Hight grafic server or a Low grafic server, because the game will load in true diferent maps, insteand of just kicking the old and laggy ones.

About the list of maps that are laggy, they where overall the ones how got alot of grass, like koregall valley, and other jungle stuff, Desert maps at all run So good that i don't sense lag any part of game, i guess that is the grass at all that's doing this.

anyway thacks for the suport.

then we shal make for exemple:

Koregal valley hight resolution
Koregal valley Low resolution

and then the servers will chose what map, and then put it to play. what you thick?

Re: No lag map core

Posted: 2010-04-15 12:54
by HAAN4
killonsight95 wrote:i ahve very cheap £300 computer i can run PR fine on low
you don't need a big computer youjust need a good graphics card tbf
what? did you say you buy you PC for 300 euros? like i saying here PCs are real expessive.

a PC that roll PR prety good must be kind of 2400 reais. whicht money you can live 2 mounths and whicht good food.

Re: No lag map core

Posted: 2010-04-15 13:02
by Maxfragg
it might sound harsh to exclude people, but seriously, this is not worth it

Re: No lag map core

Posted: 2010-04-15 13:10
by Outlawz7
HAAN4 wrote:if we where ablle to place it has a Option to servers to use those Low detail maps, everone may enter in Hight grafic server or a Low grafic server, because the game will load in true diferent maps, insteand of just kicking the old and laggy ones.
Already have that, it's called video options in your options menu.
HAAN4 wrote:what? did you say you buy you PC for 300 euros? like i saying here PCs are real expessive.
300 British pounds, not Euros.

Re: No lag map core

Posted: 2010-04-15 13:13
by rampo
HAAN4 wrote:what? did you say you buy you PC for 300 euros? like i saying here PCs are real expessive.

a PC that roll PR prety good must be kind of 2400 reais. whicht money you can live 2 mounths and whicht good food.
2400 reais are 1000 euros atm which doesnt sound that bad for a computer that would run PR smoothly

Re: No lag map core

Posted: 2010-04-15 13:48
by HAAN4
rampo93(FIN) wrote:2400 reais are 1000 euros atm which doesnt sound that bad for a computer that would run PR smoothly
2400 reais if you got in a cheap place, if you are going in regular one, it is worthy 3000 Reais, and in a expesive place 4000 + Reais,