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Is the IDF LAT really supposed to be this weak? i hit a BDRM dead on and it only went to grey smoke, it took like 10 more rifle shots to take it out. I thought BDRMs were only as strong as a Humvee? is this just a glitch or is it supposed to be this weak?

...In theory, shouldn't an M72 be able to punch through BMP-1s and BMP-2s?

Hunt3r wrote:...In theory, shouldn't an M72 be able to punch through BMP-1s and BMP-2s?

A BDRMs armor is easily penetrated by a .50... strange...

Pretty sure that's how they were designed. They're both Cold-War era equipment, so the M72 should be able to destroy Russian light armor like BMPs and BRDMs.

ComradeChaos wrote:A BDRMs armor is easily penetrated by a .50... strange...

Yeah, the damage values in PR are messed up. It only like 20 or so shots of 12.7mm ammunition to destroy an LAV-25 but it takes 3 times that amount with 14.5mm ammo.

Excavus wrote:Pretty sure that's how they were designed. They're both Cold-War era equipment, so the M72 should be able to destroy Russian light armor like BMPs and BRDMs.



Yeah, the damage values in PR are messed up. It only like 20 or so shots of 12.7mm ammunition to destroy an LAV-25 but it takes 3 times that amount with 14.5mm ammo.

Wait, a 12.7, which is a .50 cal, can destroy a LAV?

I hit one on Beirut two nights ago from a distance of 150 meters in its high left side. (First time I'd used the IDF-LAT sight) Destroyed it quite neatly.

I'm sure nobody in our squad had damaged it prior. Unknown on other squads. Didn't hear it get hit by other rockets while I was "hunting" it.

There has been a lot of weird damage lately, yesterday on Muttrah ByJoveWhatWhat (who occasionally comes on the forums) and I survived about 25 shots to the rear of our BTR-60 from the enemy LAV, all armor piercing.

Plus, on Beirut as Russians, we put a Matador-MP (IDF HAT) as Russians into the rear-side of a Merkava and it put it on white smoke. Totally underpowered.

I've had cases where 30 rounds of 25mm APFSDS-T doesn't cut the mustard to take out the BTR-60 :\

Either terrible hit reg/luck, or the damage should really be looked at.

Jaymz and I were also crewing a LAV-25 on Muttrah. We too noticed the BTR-60 appeared to take quite a few more APFSDS-T than we had originally thought it would.

Definitely seemed odd.

ComradeChaos wrote:Wait, a 12.7, which is a .50 cal, can destroy a LAV?

No matter how much I google the LAV-25, there is absolutely nothing on armor values for that thing. Anyways, yes 12.7mm ammunition can penetrate the side and back armor of an LAV-25. Not sure about the front though, probably will penetrate.

Excavus wrote:No matter how much I google the LAV-25, there is absolutely nothing on armor values for that thing. Anyways, yes 12.7mm ammunition can penetrate the side and back armor of an LAV-25. Not sure about the front though, probably will penetrate.

The LAV-25 and having its armor upgraded was discussed about a month ago. Out of that clusterfuck we determined that in real life it should be able to handle RPG-7s. Or 40mm shells. So... yeah, hitpoints must be fucked. The back doors, the top hatches, should take heavy damage, but not nearly as little as 20 rounds of 12.7.

BTR-60 is way better than LAV-25 now...

A little different subject but I was wondering shouldn't a AT-4 be able to destroy a MEC Apc? Not the BTR but the other APC the MEC gets on Jabal and Kashan that works a lot like a bradley. Anyway played a round on Kashan where one of those was comign up on my squad along with a tank, figured i'd take my chances shooting the APC since a AT-4 does merely a scratch to a T-90. I shot the APC on the side and it had hardly any smoke at all.

So im like seriously? The AT-4 is the most powerfull LAT weapon in the game being 88mm caliber compared to the LAW which is 66mm and a RPG-7 which is a 85mm warhead. But to hardly make a APC smoke? Not realistic at all.

I destroyed BMP-3 on Jabal with one AT-4 to the side. I really don't see whats the problem with it.

Lange wrote:So im like seriously? The AT-4 is the most powerfull LAT weapon in the game being 88mm caliber compared to the LAW which is 66mm and a RPG-7 which is a 85mm warhead. But to hardly make a APC smoke? Not realistic at all.

First off, the AT-4 is 84mm, and the PG-7VM HEAT warhead for the RPG-7 modeled in the game is 70.5mm. Diameter isn't everything when it comes to lethality and tanks. Multitudes of other factors come in: Velocity, what makes up the explosive charge, how efficient the round is when it funnels the penetration into a single point. In real life, the AT-4 and current RPG warheads are neck and neck. But in the game, all LAT based weapons have around the same damage modifiers from what I've seen. Don't wrap your head around "BIGGER IS BETTER." Its not all its cracked up to be.

Correct about a months ago we had a huge LAV argument... The official armor values are as follows... The LAV armor is really hard to find online. It took me a while to find the articles. IRL the LAV A2 has better protection then the BTRs.

LAV-25 - Basic model off the lines can handle 7.62 Ball all around. No upgraded armor, No upgraded turret, no anti spall lining.

The LAV-A2 (LAV-25 with upgraded armor)according to many of my sources has the same armor protection as the USArmy Stryker and the LAV-III. It can handle 14.5mm AP all around protection. It has anti spall lining to help against RPGs and Arty. Also 1 source stated that it can take 30mm AP rounds to the hull...

I do not feel like finding all my sources but if you search LAV damage or something like that you will find the arguments all sides had and all my sources. Also it is a really good read.

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Somewhat Ninjad by Schutze

In theory a LAT could destroy a BTR. It will easily punch through the armor. It can punch through 400mm of RHA when a BTR roughly has at most 15mm of welded steel armor. And saying the AT4 is more powerful in penetration then the RPG 7 varies. It can beat the PG7V in pen, and roughly has the same penetration as the PG7VL but when the RPGs get into the HEAT the RPG has more penetration.

any one have info on the BDRM armor? because i find it weird that it can take a LAT hit

Conman51 wrote:any one have info on the BDRM armor? because i find it weird that it can take a LAT hit

15mm in front and 10mm everywhere else.


EDIT: thats wrong.

there we go again

A BRDM could not take a hit from conventional L-AT (AT-4, M72) weapons in rl.

This issues is simple, we have all the correct information from our advisers but this is what's called a "material" problem. Different parts of different vehicles are assigned different materials and each projectile also has it's own material. Along with this, each material has a different damage multiplier when it comes into contact with another. See where I'm going?

PR has something like twice as many materials as vanilla BF2 and since we don't source all our assets from the same place, it's hard to keep track of materials and keep them in check. It's generally a huge headache and mistakes like BRDM's taking too much damage are bound to happen.