Jabal introduced 0.3 by Ali-TomJigsaw wrote: Winner of the oldest map still active in PR is IronTaxi with Qwai River, introduced back in v0.4 although it has undergone several facelifts including a major update for v0.9
Ah frick lol how did I miss Jabal.Animal.Mother wrote:Jabal introduced 0.3 by Ali-Tom
Well thats just a matter of opinion, personally I think its greatLudacrisKill wrote:How can IronTaxi make such a good map like Qwai and then make something so awful like Siege of Ochamachira...
Afaik yes, certainly his first to be in PR.maarit wrote:so is silent eagle Marcoelnk`s first map?
Aye, was a shame cutting out FIVE Chinese maps.Reddish Red wrote:Its weird that theres only three maps with PLA/MEC now.
from a mapping perspective its a fantastic map, its probably the most detailed industrial area in any PR map, from a gaming perspective you need to get in a certain mentality before you play it, and that is of deliberate operations.LudacrisKill wrote:How can IronTaxi make such a good map like Qwai and then make something so awful like Siege of Ochamachira...
This is just ridiculous. So you can't criticize or say about your feeling toward anything you can't do? You can't tell about politics when you are not politician? You can't complain about food/car if you're not making it? You can't complain that some incompetent surgeon until you can operate; you can't criticize religion if you are not one of priest? Cmon. Stop with that attitude sir, it's illogical and counter productive.[R-CON]Rudd wrote:because i don't think its fair to call it aweful, especially since I don't see you makin any maps
Everybody uses that argument if someone complains about something.Kain888 wrote:This is just ridiculous. So you can't criticize or say about your feeling toward anything you can't do? You can't tell about politics when you are not politician? You can't complain about food/car if you're not making it? You can't complain that some incompetent surgeon until you can operate; you can't criticize religion if you are not one of priest? Cmon. Stop with that attitude sir, it's illogical and counter productive.
??: You'll get used to it. 
There's a gigantic gap between complaining and constructive criticism. Generally, the former is met with "I don't see you making any maps" because no one wants to talk with someone who is being 'counter productive' and complaining about a map without any effort to try to identify the issues with the map so that they can be fixed.Kain888 wrote:This is just ridiculous. So you can't criticize or say about your feeling toward anything you can't do? You can't tell about politics when you are not politician? You can't complain about food/car if you're not making it? You can't complain that some incompetent surgeon until you can operate; you can't criticize religion if you are not one of priest? Cmon. Stop with that attitude sir, it's illogical and counter productive.
Don't get me wrong. I don't support mindless criticism. Making proper and valid arguments is important. My point is that statement "u can't speak if you are not X" is as well pointless as saying "this sucks". Both are not pushing development toward any progress.Celestial1 wrote:There's a gigantic gap between complaining and constructive criticism. Generally, the former is met with "I don't see you making any maps" because no one wants to talk with someone who is being 'counter productive' and complaining about a map without any effort to try to identify the issues with the map so that they can be fixed.
Your argument sucksKain888 wrote:Don't get me wrong. I don't support mindless criticism. Making proper and valid arguments is important. My point is that statement "u can't speak if you are not X" is as well pointless as saying "this sucks". Both are not pushing development toward any progress.
And stating personal opinion won't hurt anybody as well.
You can say that car sucks as well as saying that belts sucks. You just have to give proper arguments and proper discussion. That is the core thing about constructive criticism. 
I know you have a "why"... But something that breaks a lot of "this/that/you suck/s" is a simple question: "Why?"Kain888 wrote:Don't get me wrong. I don't support mindless criticism. Making proper and valid arguments is important. My point is that statement "u can't speak if you are not X" is as well pointless as saying "this sucks". Both are not pushing development toward any progress.
And stating personal opinion won't hurt anybody as well.