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UPDATE: currently texturing, but I have exams the next couple of weeks - will try to work on it but may not make much progress.

A model I've been working on, I posted a couple of shots in the show your models thread, but thought I'd post it here for more criticism. I've also done some higher poly bits to bake down. Triangle count is about 6800 atm.



Update: added dust, some dirt, more markings and bumps on the stock+handgrip - Not in the light so you can't see the specular very well, and there's ambient light to brighten it up a tad.


Wires:
http://i44.tinypic.com/1z6rwqa.jpg

magazine looks like it could need some work, overall it looks sexy

11/10

*gawks*

Beautifully done. Like Foxxy said, magazine needs work, but the rails look awesome! What kind of scope is that? It doesn't look like a SUSAT or ACOG.

I really like it.

I'd try working on the mag and grip by making some high Poly versions and then getting a good bake out of it. Unless you want to do it with a heightmap.

Here's the Highpoly I was working on, which smooths out some of the joins and is a much nicer grip - I may well resort to painting heightmaps in places as I have a feeling it won't bake down that well for some parts. The magasine is **** because I was just using it as a place-holder to size things out until I make a decent one xD

Oh and the scope is the Elcan SpecterOS4X - It's either that or the SpecterDR which is going to be replacing the SUSATs and the ACOGs



Right, I better get some sleep - It's early morning for school tomorow xD

A small request, will you be able to model the bipod legs on that gripod?

Added legs to the gripod, I've also unwrapped the majority of the pieces, though I haven't organised them on the UV map or cleaned them up yet, and even better the polycount is down to 6.6k

You're missing the gas block and all the gas parts. Here's some refs of the RIS grip.

https://www.realitymod.com/ref/l85a2_ris_grip_refs.rar

very good, although I like to point something out

I know that sounds annoying, it isn't about the model, which is in fact really detailed and accurate, only about the opmization.


In red, those holes on the handgrip can be perfectly made within the alpha channel on the diffuse texture like I made here

in yellow, even if you wanna keep it as geometry since it is closer to players view you can optimized by merging(or welding, in 3ds) all the vertex to the corners, not to the mid point or arbitrary points like you made.

in green, it doesn’t seems a big deal, but each piece highlighted is wasting 6 tris, due the bad triangulation, try to delete those edges and apply a automatic triangulation.

blue arrows, shows some edges that are completely useless, subdivisions are only welcome when make things rounder or add detail, in these cases you’re using subdivisions on a strait line, which doesn’t help at all.
At last, as Rhinos kindly posted here
https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f189-m ... nders.html
you can make the scope look much better by increasing tris only on the last subdivision closer to the player view.

These little things can save you a lot of tris, I would say 10-20%, not to mention some probably hidden faces, with little or no quality loss.
Maybe seems bullshit saying that 1000tris will boost performance, but if everyone think that way it will.

Thanks salmonella, I was staving off the reckless optimisations as I expected incredibly long thin triangles would cause smoothing or texturing artifacts, but now I can hack away!. At the moment I'm doing some more careful unwrapping, but it shouldn't be too affected by vertex welding - Also I've added the gas block, it's something I missed originally because I couldn't work out the shape from the reference pictures I had - The references you posted were excellent Gaz ^_^.

Also, is there any benefit to having things unimeshed - I know it stops Z-fighting on very shallow angles, but there's many points unimeshing would save me a few polies

Edit: updating post so I'm not spamming my own thread - added gasblock, more edges around the eye, Got rid of unnecessary vertices -> new wireframe
http://i39.tinypic.com/2iu23xl.jpg

To the untrained (un-3DSMax'd) eye this is excellent stuff. I personally will not notice those changes, but overall this is an awesome model. Look forward to seeing it in game, should it be added.

We're watching.. focus on the front RIS section and the Grip Pod and we might use it.

beatufil modell :O OO

AquaticPenguin wrote:Thanks salmonella, I was staving off the reckless optimisations as I expected incredibly long thin triangles would cause smoothing or texturing artifacts, but now I can hack away!. At the moment I'm doing some more careful unwrapping, but it shouldn't be too affected by vertex welding - Also I've added the gas block, it's something I missed originally because I couldn't work out the shape from the reference pictures I had - The references you posted were excellent Gaz ^_^.

Also, is there any benefit to having things unimeshed - I know it stops Z-fighting on very shallow angles, but there's many points unimeshing would save me a few polies

Edit: updating post so I'm not spamming my own thread - added gasblock, more edges around the eye, Got rid of unnecessary vertices -> new wireframe
http://i39.tinypic.com/2iu23xl.jpg

as long as you keep these "incredibly long thin triangles" into the same shell(or island in 3ds) and with all edges sewed(or welded in 3ds), you will have no issue.

again, is not the kind of thing "non-modders" will notice, but is always good to keep that in mind.

Can someone post some refs of this bipod? and of the weapon itself, all images result leads to another models without bipods.

[R-CON]Salmonella wrote:as long as you keep these "incredibly long thin triangles" into the same shell(or island in 3ds) and with all edges sewed(or welded in 3ds), you will have no issue.

again, is not the kind of thing "non-modders" will notice, but is always good to keep that in mind.

Can someone post some refs of this bipod? and of the weapon itself, all images result leads to another models without bipods.

Finding references was quite hard,
The RIS and the rifle video - YouTube - Daniel Defense L85 - I

Foregrip with the bipod undeployed - I've only managed to find a couple of shots with the bipod out, that pack gaz posted a page back has some good shots of it.

The elcan os4x scope on an l85 - ELCAN Sighting Systems


Current state of the grip pod

All of the parts are unwrapped in quite a lot of detail now, though they're not arranged on the Map which is the next step.

is it worth while having the grooves on the underside of the bipod? no1 will see that tbh, could be done with texture?

[R-CON]Rudd wrote:is it worth while having the grooves on the underside of the bipod? no1 will see that tbh, could be done with texture?

It gets seen a little, you can see it from the side, and when it's tucked back in the gripod - I'm not sure what polycount i'm aiming for, but I can remove it later with very little effect on the texture, same applies for the holes in the RIS - I like them as they add volume to the model but they can be substituted for an alpha map if needed or for LODs.

if you just keep it there for now and bake an AO map for it, then if you chose to remove it later, the grooves will still appear to be there on the diffuse. Granted that the right technique for doing this is used of course.

Wow, it looks really nice! I hope we'll see it in-game some day!