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Recently i have been playing coop on Kashan mainly and i have noticed that tanking is near impossible because of what seems like hundreds of bots flying jets around and dropping bombs with 90% accuracy everytime. So whenever you get into a hull down position you just get bombed. This can get very frustrating because i am unable to fly on BF2 as i get connection problems every minute (wireless internet) so the only thing for me to do is tanking or infantry. However Kashan is not really an infantry map so my only entertaining option is to take a tank or an APC (Which i enjoy in PR)

What is your opinion on this

Has anyone else noticed this?

Do you think the planes should be removed or lowered the ammount of them on the map?

Smiddey,

I think we will lower their respawn time, but they will never be removed.

Maybe have less of them aswell. I think there is 4 per team at the moment, i think that is slightly too high maybe lower the number of jets and increase the respawn time so some tanking is possable

I thought COOP was introduced because the training-mode was removed.
So this means that you must have the ability to train on COOP.
So this means you can ride a tank without getting jet-spammed 1 minute after you entered it.
So this means; you don't train at all ?

I also hate it, I think a Kashan map without planes, but with heavy armour, got to be introduced.

Smiddey723 wrote:Maybe have less of them aswell. I think there is 4 per team at the moment, i think that is slightly too high maybe lower the number of jets and increase the respawn time so some tanking is possable

3 bot jets in the sky, per team, is the max.

Amir wrote:I thought COOP was introduced because the training-mode was removed.
So this means that you must have the ability to train on COOP.
So this means you can ride a tank without getting jet-spammed 1 minute after you entered it.
So this means; you don't train at all ?

I also hate it, I think a Kashan map without planes, but with heavy armour, got to be introduced.

COOP has been around since v0.5

That COOP was advertised as the 'new training mode' was a mistake.
It was not created to be as such.

If you hate COOP, then their are a couple of different ways to get your training in.
Look into it.

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Here's the problem with you guys wanting no jets, just tanks on Kashan...

You guys will get bored REALLY quickly with it.

Tanking on Kashan isn't rocket science, nor is tanking in PR in general.

Plus, how you will train on COOP Kashan, will be nothing like how Kashan will play out in multiplayer Kashan.

'[R-DEV wrote:ballard_44;1386915']Here's the problem with you guys wanting no jets, just tanks on Kashan...

You guys will get bored REALLY quickly with it.

Tanking on Kashan isn't rocket science, nor is tanking in PR in general.

Plus, how you will train on COOP Kashan, will be nothing like how Kashan will play out in multiplayer Kashan.

I was just suggesting ways to make tanking more realistic/enjoyable. I personally do NOT want the jets to be removed just tweaked so the bots do not spam with them.

Possable ways to do this would be

-Raise the spawn time of the jets
-Lower the number of jets
-Get the bots to drop bombs with less accuracy (Dont know if this is possable)

But at the end of the day, its your mod im just laying down my opinion

or a sensible suggestion would be to have a coop kashan map with no air assets on it and still have the map that has air assets in?

Hitman.2.5 wrote:or a sensible suggestion would be to have a coop kashan map with no air assets on it and still have the map that has air assets in?

Ya, the alt version of the map. I don't know, but is there an inf version of Kashan? There should be one with just a battle in the bunkers.

MattMan569 wrote:Ya, the alt version of the map. I don't know, but is there an inf version of Kashan? There should be one with just a battle in the bunkers.

There is one but it's PVP only.I've played on a clan match and that map rocks on INF version anyway, if you dont want to get bomb on kashan there is one thing you can do when in a tank KEEP MOOVING they'll miss you stop at not price when you see an enemy plane you'll survive longer, AND THIS is realistic as in real life if your enemy as asset like tank killer you'd be dead if you were staying on the same spot all day long

the worst thing it's that they do baserape and spawnkill.

I also think that it is to much jets in this map. It is good idea to make alternative version without jets, and infantry at bunkers. Can you tell me what is another way to training flying jets? I have got poor Internet connection, so i can training it on-line, so I can only play co-op or lan myself, but waiting 10 minutes before jets spawns is boring.

The really annoying thing about this issue for me is how ridiculously accurate their bombs are. In my opinion it's more like a 99.99% accuracy rating.

For example, me and my squad were on the way to South Bunker on Kashan in a humvee. We see one of the froggers lining up for an attack run and know that we're about to get bombed. At that point the driver floors it and we haul past him going the opposite way, and should've been clear of the bomb's trajectory, but the bomb manages to track us backwards and kill us.

I don't know about you, but even when I have a laser lock on a vehicle and drop a bomb it won't track them that accurately.

Also, there's inconsistancy with their bomb's destructive capacity. There could be a squad on top of one of the bunkers and they get killed by a bomb run. But if there's a manned vehicle inside, everybody's screwed whether it's one of their bot-JDAMs or not.

Just remove bombs from AI-controlled planes, rockets would be good for bots. Or decrease bombs splash damage from AI-controlled bombs.

'[R-DEV wrote:ballard_44;1386915']

If you hate COOP, then their are a couple of different ways to get your training in.
Look into it.

Here's the problem with you guys wanting no jets, just tanks on Kashan...

You guys will get bored REALLY quickly with it.

Tanking on Kashan isn't rocket science, nor is tanking in PR in general.

Plus, how you will train on COOP Kashan, will be nothing like how Kashan will play out in multiplayer Kashan.

when you play singleplayer to become better at e.g. tanking, youll not get bored, obviously. you get bored when you realize tanking is not possible in coop.

"tanking not a rocket science" you sound like a horrible dev of the pr team, doesnt look good when u talk to people like that, youre probably straight off hardcoreclan or =hog= or whatever, or a flyboy off bf2. you ever played a single round, where some guy asks how to do a particular thing, he either gets flamed, told to read the manual or advised to go coop and train, the thing is no ones able to do any fking training because of jet spam. and yes, coop tanking is the same as multiplayer tanking, only difference is that with coop as it is now, multiplayer is the place to train tank combat. adding a separate "no air layer" is not rocket science is it?

I had a bot crash his jet into my Blackhawk on Kashan yesterday, damn near impossible to fly trans with all the Jets.

GoreZiad wrote: "tanking not a rocket science" you sound like a horrible dev of the pr team, doesnt look good when u talk to people like that, youre probably straight off hardcoreclan or =hog= or whatever, or a flyboy off bf2.

Stop. Seriously.

For myself, I think if you raised the spawn time and limited the number of bombs dropped. Once the bot has dropped his bomb load, they should either just fly around and try and strafe you with rockets or guns until it has no more ammo left period and then just flies around until its gets killed. And try to limit 3 planes in the air at one time. To me it seems like a fair balance of realism to training.

OMG, Those Bots and thier Jets make me absolutely HATE Kashan...that and thier AA that is like 125% accurate. Tanking is lame cuz of Jets and Jets are lame cuz of AA....you cant be infantry, there is nowhere for infantry to go......Kashan is prolly my least favorite map atm lol. Kozelsk and Barracuda are a close 2nd and 3rd least fav b/c the bots see through all the foliage..IM pretty sure the PR team cant do anything about it but I wish game devs would one day fix that issue

Alright, I'll get in here.
I heard all this and made some changes quite awhile ago, so we'll all see what happens with the next version.

Sidenote before I begin - STOP asking to fly the bot versions of these jets...not going to happen...ever

Jets - another attempt to make them more like the MP versions, meaning less '20G turns' performed by bots.
With that said, they aren't easy to 'shake' as bots aren't very susceptible to that type of sh*t to begin with.

They will use there cannons alot more and unless YOU allow them to stay behind you for an extended period, they won't fire missiles.

They will run out of flares. Think I gave them 60 flares firing 6 per cycle...after that they will be out of counter measures.

They are slower than you. Not by alot, but enough where you can get away if you do it right.

Jets and Bombs - CAS jets will now 'reload' after they've dropped all their payload. They won't physical do this as it is impossible for them to.
I think it takes them 5 minutes before it's Rock and Roll time, again.

Fighter jets will have the same, but with a much lower time.
They were never the 'scourge' that CAS is anyways.

If you are in a vehicle and see a bot lining you up for a bombing run, head towards him if possible.
This can stop him from dropping and even if it doesn't, 90% of the time they over shoot.

AA vehicles - They're just as deadly!