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While Assault on Mestia, Fools' Road, and Dragon Fly may have been designed to be "British vs. Some Random Rebel Faction That Makes No Sense", as the mod has evolved, we were gifted with the Russian and Chechen factions. In what I am assuming was a bid to save space, the Chechen faction was removed completely and reworked into the (extremely crappy) generic "Militia" faction, and the Russians removed from these maps and replaced with the omnipresent, overpowered (at least in this case) British faction. The Russian vs. Chechens for Fools' Road was an absolutely perfect balance. The gameplay was just right, the Chechens were fun to play as were the Russians and there were no LEET LAZOR SAWZ/TOWZ penetrating the entire map. The current pairing is not only completely unbalanced and changed one of the best factions in PR into one incredibly mediocre, but also has changed what was once one of the best, most-played maps in PR into one of the least-played, least-favorite maps in the bunch. VERY few people enjoy playing Fools Road, Siege at Ochimichira, and Dragon Fly anymore because of the ridiculous pairing that's been made. The Brits are great, and I respect the mapper who made the maps, but for the love of God..

Please, please give us back our beloved Chechens, and their Russian counterparts. For the sake of realism, and for the sake of gameplay.


(MOD: I misspelled 'Chechnya', heh. Could you fix it?)

the Chechnya faction are exactly the same as the Militia faction so how can one be extremely crappy and the other not????
also it would be exactly the same if it were russians as now the russians have their new BTR's and TOW's as well also the rifles are exactly the same bassicly (in game that is). Bassicly your arguement is invalid.
Also all you really need is a spandy squad and the british won't stand a chance.
Also the generic faction is good, its like MEC, its not a real faction but helps when mappers want to make a kind of civil war kind of sceene.
i belive Kozolsk still has Russians vs Militia that map is very annoying but still fun but it would be better if it had its boats back.

IronTaxi (the man behind the maps) always wanted his map series (Mestia, Dragon Fly, Fools Road) to be British, so it's really up to him.

I agree I'm kind of sick of playing unrealistic British vs Russian militia maps they make no sense!

unrealalex wrote:I agree I'm kind of sick of playing unrealistic British vs Russian militia maps they make no sense!

i disagree i like playing unrealistic british vs russian maps.

^ maybe not to you....they make sense to me....

I don't particularly care what teams are on the maps in question, but I like having a generic militia team rather than the chech team as it gives more freedom in what scenarios you make for them and avoids any political problems.

Fools Road - that can be anyone tbh
Dragonfly - I'd have put Russians on that tbh, since its a very Russianlike urban center.
siege of ochamchira - could be anyone

no LEET LAZOR SAWZ/TOWZ penetrating the entire map.

erm....Russians have TOWs now, oh yeah and their Tanks have TOWs too.


you keep saying Brits are overpowred.....how? I've never seen Brits win dragonfly, I've seen militia and brits win o fools road, ochamchira needs work but it was trying something new.

what I'd like to see is the Americans get a militia map tbh, as part of a NATO idea. the USMC using their marpat would be nice

What Bosco says, the maps are meant for the British from the start, the mapper decides. Who knows, maybe one day it'll be different? Personally, I don't really mind. It does have its effect on gameplay. It's not better or worse, it's different.

I can understand if you prefer it otherwise, so perhaps Mestia could be brought back in a mappack or so, featuring Russia vs Militia, as the map is no longer in the main build?

AFAIK, IronTaxi was quite pissed because Chechens were introduced, therefore making that faction quite limited when deciding the factions. He was always "artistic" type of lad, so he wanted more freedom in creating maps, which is IMO, completely justified.

After all, PR is about realistic gameplay, not geopolitically accurate reenactments.

DrugKoala wrote: geopolitically accurate reenactments.

It seemed to be this way in the beginning. If the militia is suppose to represent the IRA on maps like Ochamchira and Fools Road? are weapons like PPSH realistic for a rebel faction fighting britain?

Whats the reason we don't see USA vs Canada then if PR is not about realistic reenactments. Personally I'd love to see USA vs Canada in a US-invades-Canada scenario. Maybe on Fools Road with Canada vs USA, that sounds fun (environement certainly fits).

Britain vs russian rebels just doesnt make sense.

unrealalex wrote: Britain vs russian rebels just doesnt make sense.

They aren't Russian rebels, they are an unnammed faction with no ethnic background, that way the DEVs can say they come from anywhere. If it was Chechens they'd be confined to a certain type of map (forest or urban)

[R-DEV]bosco wrote:IronTaxi (the man behind the maps) always wanted his map series (Mestia, Dragon Fly, Fools Road) to be British, so it's really up to him.

I like to play on Fools Road for/against Russian side!Return it back please
But i think all other UK/Separatists maps looks nice,and no need some replacing(like Dragon fly,Ochi... etc)

killonsight95 wrote:the Chechnya faction are exactly the same as the Militia

Except that they speak Russian with an eastern european accent

Having a versatile Militia faction beats Chechen faction, this way you can have them in more maps.
You people who think this is an issue can make your own maps with Russia vs Militia, and base it off locations in Chechnya, or Osetia, or anything similar.

unrealalex wrote:It seemed to be this way in the beginning. If the militia is suppose to represent the IRA on maps like Ochamchira and Fools Road? are weapons like PPSH realistic for a rebel faction fighting britain?.

Wait... what? No they are not supposed be like the IRA...

The nature of most non-professional armys means that they use what they can get their hands on. Mostly yesterday's technology.

There must be Chechen vs russian maps.

What's doing brits in russians lands.

And future if there will be a snow map its nice for Chechen vs russian battlefield.

Mappers are free to choose what they want really. Just because we don't have Brits vs US, doesn't mean mappers will never go that road. Though most mappers choose something they think is nice and realistic in the "world's current state".

IIRC Fools Road is supposed to be in Georgia. There 1 map off your "russianz" list.

i agree with you "Startrekern", those british and russia vs unrealistic militia destroy the reality and make no sense, i sugguested ait already, they wont make it, too bad, then let them destroy the reality, we have to live with it

mujahideen1979 wrote:i agree with you "Startrekern", those british and russia vs unrealistic militia destroy the reality and make no sense, i sugguested ait already, they wont make it, too bad, then let them destroy the reality, we have to live with it

and your fine with having "MEC" and IDF fighting russians and what not? do they also "destroy" the reality? what would you suggest?