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Air to Air Missles.
Posted: 2010-08-24 15:23
by Expatriate Gamer
I think something has to be done. Sometimes it will show a lock and you'll fire and they won't lock to anything not even enemy flares. Also I think its bad for gameplay that Aircraft can fire their AA missles at ground targets.
I just made this post to see if anyone in the community agrees that something needs to be fix'd with Air to Air Missles.
Re: Air to Air Missles.
Posted: 2010-08-24 15:42
by burghUK
missiles*don't work 100% of the time in real life they are fine as they are IMO.
Re: Air to Air Missles.
Posted: 2010-08-24 15:48
by Bazul14
Well, if u are OPFOR you can get a Stinger, much much better than the Strela. Just right click when u select the AA kit. As for aircraft fireing AA at ground, well, leave it like that. It gives the unmaneuvrable and fairly boring to fly jets in PR a sense of some power to the pilot, as he can kill concentrations of enemy inf with a missile instead of wasting a bomb.
Re: Air to Air Missles.
Posted: 2010-08-24 16:00
by Drunkenup
Bazul14 wrote:Well, if u are OPFOR you can get a Stinger, much much better than the Strela. Just right click when u select the AA kit. As for aircraft fireing AA at ground, well, leave it like that. It gives the unmaneuvrable and fairly boring to fly jets in PR a sense of some power to the pilot, as he can kill concentrations of enemy inf with a missile instead of wasting a bomb.
I think hes talking about AIR to AIR missiles... not MANPADS. And about the Strela... think you're saying a load of bull, I doubt its less powerful and potent than the Stinger... Dev's would never purposely nerf a weapon in the same class that has the same attributes.
I've never had a problem with people firing their AAM's at ground targets, as most aircraft get owned in the process of trying.
Re: Air to Air Missles.
Posted: 2010-08-24 16:30
by Redamare
The AA missles cant hit ground targets because after 200 meters or so they Curve in an upwards motion. unless the aircraft is Right at the ground even then .. the chances of hitting anythign is slim
Re: Air to Air Missles.
Posted: 2010-08-24 16:38
by Elektro
of all the things that are wrong with Air to Air missiles, this is the smallest
Re: Air to Air Missles.
Posted: 2010-08-24 17:26
by Zoddom
what? since when does the opfor AA kit has Stingers?!?! and
what do you mean, its always an igla launcher. and what are you talking about the strela?!
i guess every AA missile is exactly the same ingame....
Re: Air to Air Missles.
Posted: 2010-08-24 18:01
by Bazul14
@Drunkenpop...
If you want to try for yourself, use the Sa7 ingame against a chopper then try the Stinger. The Sa7 will very likely miss, or simply go up without even locking. The Stinger has a higher locking time, but it is a lot more precise and deadly.
Re: Air to Air Missles.
Posted: 2010-08-24 18:01
by Bazul14
Also, the Sa7 being less accurate than the Stinger is realistic because the Sa7 uses an older technology than the Stinger.
Re: Air to Air Missles.
Posted: 2010-08-24 18:27
by Uthric
the Sa7 is the biggest PoS AA missle ever, there useless as far as i can tell, it misses like 90% of the time i have ever seen someone shoot one
hell i have seen more helos shot down on INS maps with RPGs than that AAM, and thast just sad
now the stinger is a beast, hell its as good if not better as the manpad aa
Re: Air to Air Missles.
Posted: 2010-08-24 18:30
by Drunkenup
Bazul14 wrote:Also, the Sa7 being less accurate than the Stinger is realistic because the Sa7 uses an older technology than the Stinger.
Its Drunkenup, you were in my clan, you know that.
There are no variables to allow a missile to "sometimes" miss in the BF2 engine. This portion of code proves there is no difference between the two in accuracy
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rem ---BeginComp:SoldierDeviationComp ---
ObjectTemplate.createComponent SoldierDeviationComp
ObjectTemplate.deviation.minDev 10
ObjectTemplate.deviation.setTurnDev 0 0 0 0
ObjectTemplate.deviation.setSpeedDev 0 0 0 0
ObjectTemplate.deviation.setMiscDev 0 0 0
rem ---EndComp ---
rem ---BeginComp :D efaultSoundComp ---
ObjectTemplate.createComponent DefaultSoundComp
rem ---EndComp ---
rem ---BeginComp :D efaultAnimationComp ---
ObjectTemplate.createComponent DefaultAnimationComp
rem ---EndComp ---
rem ---BeginComp :D efaultZoomComp ---
ObjectTemplate.createComponent DefaultZoomComp
ObjectTemplate.zoom.zoomDelay 1.5
ObjectTemplate.zoom.zoomLod 1
ObjectTemplate.zoom.addZoomFactor 0
ObjectTemplate.zoom.addZoomFactor 1.099
ObjectTemplate.zoom.changeFovDelay 1.5
rem ---EndComp ---
rem ---BeginComp:MultiFireArmTargetComp ---
ObjectTemplate.createComponent MultiFireArmTargetComp
ObjectTemplate.target.maxDistance 99999
ObjectTemplate.target.targetSystem TSHeatSeeking
ObjectTemplate.target.connectionEffectOnlyWhenZoomed 1
ObjectTemplate.target.useCameraDirectionToTarget 1
ObjectTemplate.target.lockDelay 3
ObjectTemplate.target.loseLockDelay 0
ObjectTemplate.target.lockAngle 15
rem ---EndComp ---
ObjectTemplate.geometry iraqaa_sa7
ObjectTemplate.setCollisionMesh iraqaa_sa7
ObjectTemplate.mapMaterial 0 sa7 68
ObjectTemplate.floaterMod 0
ObjectTemplate.hasMobilePhysics 0
ObjectTemplate.hasCollisionPhysics 1
ObjectTemplate.physicsType Point
ObjectTemplate.aiTemplate aa_handheld_ai
Thats the SA-7 code, you can see SA7 at the bottom of it.
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rem ---BeginComp:SoldierDeviationComp ---
ObjectTemplate.createComponent SoldierDeviationComp
ObjectTemplate.deviation.minDev 10
ObjectTemplate.deviation.setTurnDev 0 0 0 0
ObjectTemplate.deviation.setSpeedDev 0 0 0 0
ObjectTemplate.deviation.setMiscDev 0 0 0
rem ---EndComp ---
rem ---BeginComp :D efaultSoundComp ---
ObjectTemplate.createComponent DefaultSoundComp
rem ---EndComp ---
rem ---BeginComp :D efaultAnimationComp ---
ObjectTemplate.createComponent DefaultAnimationComp
rem ---EndComp ---
rem ---BeginComp :D efaultZoomComp ---
ObjectTemplate.createComponent DefaultZoomComp
ObjectTemplate.zoom.zoomDelay 1.5
ObjectTemplate.zoom.changeFovDelay 1.5
ObjectTemplate.zoom.zoomLod 1
ObjectTemplate.zoom.addZoomFactor 0
ObjectTemplate.zoom.addZoomFactor 1.099
rem ---EndComp ---
rem ---BeginComp:MultiFireArmTargetComp ---
ObjectTemplate.createComponent MultiFireArmTargetComp
ObjectTemplate.target.maxDistance 99999
ObjectTemplate.target.targetSystem TSHeatSeeking
ObjectTemplate.target.connectionEffectOnlyWhenZoomed 1
ObjectTemplate.target.useCameraDirectionToTarget 1
ObjectTemplate.target.lockDelay 3
ObjectTemplate.target.loseLockDelay 0
ObjectTemplate.target.lockAngle 15
rem ---EndComp ---
ObjectTemplate.geometry usaa_fm92a
ObjectTemplate.setCollisionMesh usaa_fm92a
ObjectTemplate.mapMaterial 0 soldierweapon 68
ObjectTemplate.floaterMod 0
ObjectTemplate.hasMobilePhysics 0
ObjectTemplate.hasCollisionPhysics 1
ObjectTemplate.physicsType Point
ObjectTemplate.aiTemplate aa_handheld_ai
Thats the Stinger's, you can see by the fm92a, which is the shortened prefix in PR for the US designation of the Stinger, FIM-92A.
As you can see, they both have the same accuracy values, same delay in zoom in, same angle of lock, and SAME lock on time. Maybe you're shooting at the wrong targets, but if the code says it, the code is right.
Re: Air to Air Missles.
Posted: 2010-08-24 18:32
by Bazul14
Well, IDK about that code and all that,but anyone who ever fired a Sa 7 ingame knows that is misses a lot compared to the Stinger.
@Drunkenup, lol, I always called you Drunkenpop, idk why, lol, sorry
Re: Air to Air Missles.
Posted: 2010-08-24 18:35
by Bazul14
Maybe there is more in codding about the missiles other than those two pages..., idk.
Re: Air to Air Missles.
Posted: 2010-08-24 18:36
by Drunkenup
Bazul14 wrote:Well, IDK about that code and all that,but anyone who ever fired a Sa 7 ingame knows that is misses a lot compared to the Stinger.
@Drunkenup, lol, I always called you Drunkenpop, idk why, lol, sorry
Don't think you ever did.... Theres absolutely nothing in the code that would allow a SA-7 to miss more compared to a Stinger. Probably player skill involved.
Re: Air to Air Missles.
Posted: 2010-08-24 18:42
by Bazul14
I guess, but on Archer yesterday, I got to use both missiles and on the Sa7 missed 2/3 times, no kills, while the Stinger did not miss in any of my 3 tries. I fired both missiles following a relatively constant procedure( staying deployed with them, fireing in the first moment i hear the lock). So i guess, it is either luck or some aditional coding.
Re: Air to Air Missles.
Posted: 2010-08-25 03:24
by rushn
The guns have the sane thing they are all pretty much the same like ak 74 and m16a4 the code is the same I am pretty sure
Re: Air to Air Missles.
Posted: 2010-08-25 04:30
by amazing_retard
Portable AA sucks just admit it!
You want to shoot down aircraft? Use the TOW or a HAT.
Re: Air to Air Missles.
Posted: 2010-08-25 05:12
by tommytgun
Uthric wrote:the Sa7 is the biggest PoS AA missle ever, there useless as far as i can tell, it misses like 90% of the time i have ever seen someone shoot one
hell i have seen more helos shot down on INS maps with RPGs than that AAM, and thast just sad
now the stinger is a beast, hell its as good if not better as the manpad aa
I have killed countless numbers of F-16's and Apache's with the SA-7....it's honestly not that bad
Re: Air to Air Missles.
Posted: 2010-08-25 05:58
by Hunt3r
The problem is that the SA-7 lacks a proximity fuse. Also, it may be a good idea for the missiles to slow down a bit, enough that the missile has plenty of time to get a solid lock.