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Hello folks , I have a question about lat's bein too op against apcs
Yesterday , I was playin on muttrah and was a driver of an lav .
In the middle of the game , we had a fire support request from a squad so we started movinn to squad who requested it . But on the way we took a lat shot to our front wheel
and apc became tracked . Anyway we managed to make it back to rp . After we were fully repaired we had back to squad again . When we were givin em the support we took another lat shot to the same place as before and we're tracked again .. We again managed to head back to rp but at the third time we got destroy by another lat shot to our rear . It was quite annoying for me half of the game i tried to bring that lav back to rp when it was tracked .
Another game on fallujah :
I was in a bradley and there was a cache at basement of palace . So we were givin fire support as inf squads approachin in to basement . And somehow one guy managed to sneak in behind us and shot our rear wheel and we blew up . Has bradley nerfed on fallujah or is it my luck ?
All posts are welcomed .

You need to keep moving around or you get insurgents sneaking up on your rear. Also, keep remembering that only the gunner needs to look at the target. The driver should be doing 360 scans to prevent people sneaking up.

About the Muttrah part: Its hard for an APC in a city with loads of balcony's and places to hide for LAT gunners. Just make sure you have the infantry covering you and like I said earlier: Keep moving around. Almost everyone on the other team wants your APC dead so theres a lot of people looking for it.

I dont think they are overpowered. Loads of times when I encounter an APC with the infantry we need 2 or shots on that thing. 1 lat usually just angers it and gives our position away.

No, I think it is good to go. LAT must be so powerful to damage so badly the APC. Its it main purpose.

cyberzomby wrote:You need to keep moving around or you get insurgents sneaking up on your rear. Also, keep remembering that only the gunner needs to look at the target. The driver should be doing 360 scans to prevent people sneaking up.

This. If its anything other than a Bradley or BMP you should be driving around like a madman, even if you see inf just shoot them and keep on driving, come around for another pass. Its incredibly hard for a HAT to kill a moving target, and LAT's too for that matter.

dtacs wrote:This. If its anything other than a Bradley or BMP you should be driving around like a madman, even if you see inf just shoot them and keep on driving, come around for another pass. Its incredibly hard for a HAT to kill a moving target, and LAT's too for that matter.

I hope your not being serious. It is slightly more difficult to kill a moving target yes, but i've usually always see RPGS hitting moving targets. The only safe way in Fallujah is to be outside of the major city and with infantry supporting you.

key word is suppressive fire imo, moving like a madman isn't good, but firing like one is

even if you only suspect an enemy position just coax it to keep the buggers heads down so you can withdraw, don't do what alot of APCs do and wait for the dude to pop up, once he's done that its too late.

the OP description of the LAV seems like how it should be, a non fatal hit but not shrugged off, but the Bradley might have something wrong.

ViktorMk wrote:I hope your not being serious. It is slightly more difficult to kill a moving target yes, but i've usually always see RPGS hitting moving targets. The only safe way in Fallujah is to be outside of the major city and with infantry supporting you.

Pardon me I should be more specific, I mean on Muttrah in reference to what the OP is talking about.

The streets are perfect for it.

LAT is fine mate, it is just your luck . For example I took today 2 LAT hits on Jabal in my LAV and was only smoking a bit (k 1 was near miss but still). Keep in mind that the BF2 hitbox sometimes screws it up, like choppers surviving a direct tow hit >.<, just in your case dying after 1 LAT.

seing how lat's are one shot weapons, no I don't think they're overpowered. if you could just spam those things they would be.

Phatcap wrote: Keep in mind that the BF2 hitbox sometimes screws it up, like choppers surviving a direct tow hit >.<,.

Or logis surviving direct hit with APFSDS round.

Its disappointing to see a more-advanced, multi-stage 80mm M136 AT4 not track a BMP-3's after a hit to the mid-rear, but a single-stage RPG-7 track a M2A2 from a front hit. Which arguably is the strongest area in an armored vehicle. (Or the Bradley's hitpoints just might be clusterfucked)

'= wrote:H[=Rissien;1435231']Or logis surviving direct hit with APFSDS round.

Yeah also

Drunkenup wrote:Its disappointing to see a more-advanced, multi-stage 80mm M136 AT4 not track a BMP-3's after a hit to the mid-rear, but a single-stage RPG-7 track a M2A2 from a front hit. Which arguably is the strongest area in an armored vehicle. (Or the Bradley's hitpoints just might be clusterfucked)

The track code is percentage based if I remember correctly, they won't get tracked every time. Thus, it doesn't matter how much damage you do, it's just a roll of the dice


As far as balancing goes, remember that in real life these rockets are typically designed to penetrate the armor and create enough hot fragments/concussion to at least wound everyone inside an APC/IFV. The fact that you typically live through 1 LAT round most of the time is a gift enough

[R-DEV]Rudd wrote:key word is suppressive fire imo, moving like a madman isn't good, but firing like one is

even if you only suspect an enemy position just coax it to keep the buggers heads down so you can withdraw, don't do what alot of APCs do and wait for the dude to pop up, once he's done that its too late.

the OP description of the LAV seems like how it should be, a non fatal hit but not shrugged off, but the Bradley might have something wrong.

Suppressing any half decent AT gunner will eventually get you killed, especially if you cant get splash damage behind them. In cities there are so many places to jack in the back with the AT that you can get a SL to tell you where the apc is, you load up your weapon and pop up and hes dead. If you dont have anything behind you(on the top of a roof with nothing to splash against), the apc can be actively firing every weapon at you and because of how deviation and weapon firing works when going from crouch to standing and even prone to crouch, the rocket will usually get off and hit even with all of that downrange fire.

If you suppress on a map like kashan with hills and nothing to splash on other than the front of the hill, the enemy AT might be suppressed but he will win eventually even if you have 2 apcs suppressing with 30mm and coax.

I know because I have been on both sides of this, that is why when you know of AT in an area you have two choices in my opinion:1) Like said already run around and be unpredictable, this works best in the city and if the AT gunner is dumb he will try to follow you and not set up watching a certain spot and wait for you to drive into him, and 2) Move off to a different spot where you can hopefully support your team and at the same time not be visible to the AT.

chris

so you can withdraw

spending prolonged periods in front of AT for any period must be avoided, its AT, its designed to kill you, but your surviability is high as long as you calmly suppress the enemy are pull back.

The AT-4 was designed to take out MBT's there's no reason it shouldn't out right destroy an APC or an IFV, i dont see how it is overpowered

Hitman.2.5 wrote:The AT-4 was designed to take out MBT's there's no reason it shouldn't out right destroy an APC or an IFV, i dont see how it is overpowered

No it wasn't ??:

And LAT's are fine as they are imo. Just those unlucky hits where vehicles survive sometimes

Drunkenup wrote:Its disappointing to see a more-advanced, multi-stage 80mm M136 AT4 not track a BMP-3's after a hit to the mid-rear, but a single-stage RPG-7 track a M2A2 from a front hit. Which arguably is the strongest area in an armored vehicle. (Or the Bradley's hitpoints just might be clusterfucked)

BMP-3 =/= Brad;ey

nuff said.

Ontopic: 1-shot to a APC should do EXACTLY what OP experienced... If it does any more, that would be overpowered; any less, then no one would bring LAT or a squad would bring HATs for APC...

Ford_Jam wrote:No it wasn't ??:

And LAT's are fine as they are imo. Just those unlucky hits where vehicles survive sometimes

Wrong the AT-4 WAS designed to engage MBT's I can provide you multiple sources for this if you don't believe me.

M136 AT4 ANTI-TANK MISSILE

With this source it says it in the first sentence. However you are correct in a way nowdays as armor technology has evolved and more powerful AT systems have come about(Javelin for example) the purpose for defeating tanks is limited and now more suited to other roles like shooting enemy emplacements and troop positions(as shown in iraq), however the system itself was designed to engage armored vehicles including tanks.

In my opinion LAT's aren't powerful enough in game as it is, in RL a AT-4 to most modern MBT's can do severe damage little own a APC, in RL a apc would almost always be penetrated by most modern LAT systems and disabled/damaged including the AT-4.

As far as the main poster goes I believe LAT's should maybe be a little more consistent and realistic but in no way nerfed in power, for example a LAT shot should cause near death damage minimum, or disable/track or outright destroy. Not the inconsistency of 1 LAT doing no damage or 1 LAT destroying etc. Unfortunately thats BF2 for you.

ComradeHX wrote:BMP-3 =/= Brad;ey

nuff said.

Ontopic: 1-shot to a APC should do EXACTLY what OP experienced... If it does any more, that would be overpowered; any less, then no one would bring LAT or a squad would bring HATs for APC...

Agreed

Edit: Never mind. I nearly raged myself to death.