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I'm posting this due to complaints of clans teamstacking and providing a fight that is too much for your basic pubber.

This is my attempt at getting the community on track with proper teamwork, beyond single squad levels. A level of teamwork that is unlike and not found in any other game besides PR.

ALL servers should have a Open to the public teamspeak, ventrilo or Mumble channel for the pubbers to use. Their Vent, TS and Mumble info should be easily accessible for the community.

Knowing how to coordinate a single squad is very basic to us all. But multi squad teamwork is not well known or used by many pubbers. But for those of us who do know and actually use it, it is an invaluable tool.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE IN A CLAN TO KNOW GOOD TEAMWORK.
YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE BUDDIES WITH EVERYONE TO KNOW GOOD TEAMWORK.

You just need to use the tools at hand and your/our gaming experience here will be so much more intense. I dont need to be friends with the other pubbers in the ventrilo, ts or mumble channel to effectively communicate with them. We just need willing participants to set an example to the community that this is how it should be playeed, every round, and that to not play in this manner is not playing the game the way it was designed to be played. Players who complain about the harsh reality of a team that is "stacking" or all in the VOIP program need not complain any longer. If they are not using the server related VOIP program that is available to them than they are the ones to blame. Not the Clan who knows how it is and should be done. PR has always been about supreme communication and typically superior communication is what makes a winning round for your team.
But the fact is that these outside VOIP programs are here so that the game can be played in the proper way that is was designed. A tema of well communicating players/squad leaders.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE AN SL TO USE Vent, Teamspeak or Mumble, although it doesn't hurt.
Many times a squad member can communicate to his SL if he happens to not be playing right and is not in the VOIP program available to everyone.

So I'm suggesting to all of you who do not currently use Vent, Teamspeak or Mumble that you are not playing the right way, good way or an effective way. You are playing in a half *** way that needs correction. If we could get the community on track with this way of playing, games would be a lot more challenging, intense and rewarding to us all.

It is quite easy to communicate with pubbers.
"This is Guru in squad 4. Squad 1 can I get your assistance, I know of the cache's exact location but we need your help, can you assist?" "Sure thing Squad 4" or "Watch out squad 2 there is a whole squad coming your way from the north about 100m, this is Guru in squad 4"

It is all so dang simple. No need for friendships, same clan tags or any clan tags. Just a need to have a mic and willing attitude to play the game right.

Best of luck to you all. I hope to see you in Vent, Teamspeak or Mumble while in the field. Help the community to enhance the game on a higher level community wide. That's what PR is all about isn't it?

good luck to you all

I recommend 'conscripting' people into realism clans
not saying being in a clan is important or anything, but i found my first clan helpfull, helped get me where i am now, sorta.

I say no clan is needed. That's just a whole other task that is not even necessary, although it may be beneficial to some. Just get in the Vent, Teamspeak or Mumble that the community is providing.

The fact is that some players simply don't care about teamwork. I always give anyone I know a hard time if I find out they're not on Mumble while playing though.

Guess what, the very people you're angry about will never read this, and you're preaching to the choir

There are three people who call "STAX"
1) Newbies/Noobs who are getting thrown down on. They won't read this because they don't browse the forums in general, which is also why they have a tendency to get stomped.
2) People who see what's right in front of them. Pro-tip, clans can and do stack against pubbers, and frequently. You're not out to stack because you want to make people frustrated, you just want to play on the same side as your friends, and you're in a clan with them. They won't read this because any intelligent discourse on the matter is impossible because neither side is going to budge. "You're stacking the teams and that's unfair" "Learn how to play the game noob" ad infinitum.
3)Trolls. Calling out a stack warning is a surefire way to get most servers buzzing with angry allchat for a good 15-30 minutes. They won't be reading this because, let's face it, they don't care.

Want to reduce 1 and 2? You're going to have to teach them to be better, don't just complain.

yeah i wish every squad could just work together with a commander. I thought of a way that would make communication between squads not only preferable but necessary. There would also need to be a commander for the team to function properly but only problem is i think most people would think its too realistic and complain about it.

Play on better servers! If you think that a server is team stacking move on. If you want better teamwork join a server that uses mumble.

guru951 wrote:I say no clan is needed. That's just a whole other task that is not even necessary, although it may be beneficial to some. Just get in the Vent, Teamspeak or Mumble that the community is providing.

Agreed, I find they hinder, more then help.

Gosh dangit!
Same story every time.
It's as if a server doesnt use mumble than players dont wanna use anything.
Whats the problem with ventrilo or teamspeak if a server is offering it?

2nd thing. A commander. First off commanders typically suck. Second of all, no one wants to be one since the UAV has been taken out.
If you read this and still insist that we
A. Must join a clan.
B. Must use mumble cause all other VOIP programs are inferior to it and are useless.
C. Just use a commander.
D. Mumble/Vent/Teamspeak just has people beatboxing, yelling and eating in it. It's too noisy.

Those are ridiculous excuses.
Every server I have played on, the good ones (=]H[= and TG) offer their prgrams for free, easily accessible to any player in the server and they are very typically well maintained and noise free (outside of the needed comms)

It's easy. Teams stacking doesnt need to matter. Before you hop on a server, hop on their voip.
Game it up with completely random strangers, this is how this game was designed. It's so easy.

Definition of Team Stacking: To utilize superior communication and defeat the enemy by using it, via an outside VOIP program.

As for the wacksauce players who will continue to not even attempt it, you suck and are holding the game and community back from better rounds. Go buy Blackops

A good commander to follow is all you need! One man to lead them all. Would love to see a game where a commander took charge of the squads and gave them all orders to follow. Too bad there are none

guru951, i couldnt have summarized all this any better. props

Thank you very much Furst. Still people are coming here saying CO this Co that. It's nonsense. a CO could never do what a full ventrilo or teamspeak could do.

its a pretty much controversial topic, always, even if i dont really understand why, since all players have the same fundament and conditions to play on and with. i also never understood any of the "legitimations" for blaming others to play the game in a better and more creative way!

nobody here in this modification is playing a computer game for the first time and i also guess nobody is experiencing his first contact with the internet by playing Project Reality, which means that it definitely is almost 100% about the interest and will of every each person to use all free offered resources in this game. starting with the PR Manual, ending with platforms such as Mumble.

having a commander surely is a great tool to optimize and coordinate several actions and events, no doubt! however, one commander is never in no way a comparable replacement for the group of soldiers fighting above, behind or next to you on any map. indeed, good CO's do good work, but if one or many have an antipathy regarding "too much and annoying VOIP such as Mumble or Teamspeak" they usually wont even listen to a CO.

...but what is also true and annoying is that the people who really should read topics like this one, usually wont do it.

@OP:

I am a Pubber since I firstly played this mod. I never ever participated in any Tournament or clanwar. I started in 0.25 and since then, i havnt missed a single version of PR. If you are saying taht all pubbers are noobs, i have to greatly disagree with you. For me, PR was the first game I could ever play on public - without "pubbers". It was the first game where noone lamed around, baseraped, vehicle stealed and whatever.
What you are talking about is this:
although PR has been getting harder and more realistic untill 0.95 there are more "NOOBS" (not newbies, ofc tehre are more newbies -.-) and idiots than before. As for me, it has nearly become unplayable. I join a server and the first thing i have to do is spawn in mainbase. because there is ether no FOB or one or two in some rediculous positions. Then I want to find a good squad. three squads locked with 2-4 players... each one having one tank or one apc. then, two heli squads, locked, even if one of em is transport squad. then a sniper squad, 3 people, none of them got a sniper. one full Inf squad, using voip and stuff... but hanging around at a totally wrong objective....

What has to be done is big: making teamwork first priority wont help much, as there still is teamwork, but as I described, totally useless. the main thing which has to be achieved is making players understand and follow the game rules. WHICH MEANS:
AAS, INS, C&C, VW, SKIRMISH
these, and nothing else are the game rules. If players would accept them and follow them it would end in teamwork, great action and good experience...

thats all

Zoddom wrote:@OP:

If you are saying taht all pubbers are noobs, i have to greatly disagree with you.

that aint what the topic is about. you might have misunderstood some important sentences

Some dont understand, some are lazy. First ones need to be teached, second ones have to be animated.

Furst wrote:that aint what the topic is about. you might have misunderstood some important sentences

. . .
well i actually only read the first lines of his post, and probably misundertood them. i had the feeling that he was trying to say that all pubbers lack of teamwork. Im sorry if thats wrong.
also, i thought he was connecting clans and pubbers to teamwork, if thats wrong im sorry.
If not, my post is still significant.
edit:
my post is trying to show, that its not the communication or the teamwork that is missing. its the acceptance of the game, or the gamemode-rules themselves. there actually IS teamwork and communication, but sadly its mostly used for unnecessary actions which are not helping to win a round, and thats the most important thing ingame, even if many people will disagree with me. Theres no point in teamwork when it does not help to win a round, as winning a round is the ONLY target to achieve ingame.

Zoddom wrote:. . .
well i actually only read the first lines of his post, and probably misundertood them. i had the feeling that he was trying to say that all pubbers lack of teamwork. Im sorry if thats wrong.
also, i thought he was connecting clans and pubbers to teamwork, if thats wrong im sorry.
If not, my post is still significant.

its about this

multi squad teamwork

by understanding this

You just need to use the tools at hand and your/our gaming experience here will be so much more intense. I dont need to be friends with the other pubbers in the ventrilo, ts or mumble channel to effectively communicate with them.

leading to this

PR has always been about supreme communication and typically superior communication is what makes a winning round for your team

and the reason or backround for his posting was this

Players who complain about the harsh reality of a team that is "stacking" or all in the VOIP program need not complain any longer. If they are not using the server related VOIP program that is available to them than they are the ones to blame. Not the Clan who knows how it is and should be done.

making a long story short by this

It is all so dang simple. No need for friendships, same clan tags or any clan tags. Just a need to have a mic and willing attitude to play the game right.

and this

It's easy. Teams stacking doesnt need to matter. Before you hop on a server, hop on their voip. Game it up with completely random strangers, this is how this game was designed. It's so easy.

its all free and available for everyone playing this game, people just have to use it.

PR isnt a game for pub play. Sure you can play american football with random people, but would it be a good game?

If you don't like people making communities FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE of teamplay, you need to find a new game

If you want teamplay, join a community. It's not hard.