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Ok so I have had this problem for months ever since I built my new computer and I'm so sick of it. I have seen many people with much less powerful cards than mine and even people with 5850's as well who can run PR completely maxed on very high frame rates with no problems. But for some reason when I play I have to keep AA at 4x (used to be worse, had to turn down multiple settings to medium, but then I updated my cards drivers) or I will get horrible lag in even small dust clouds. I only really experience the lag in dust luckily but I still prefer no lag at all. I have set my CCC to use the programs settings for 3d stuff. I always close as many processes as I can before playing (only what I know for sure I can end) and the only unnecessary processes I leave running are xfire, MSI Afterburner, and sometimes Teamspeak 3. Every time before running PR I use MSI Afterburner to OC at 760/800 (I think, will check when I can)(also I don't change the volts, they are locked anyway).

System specs:
OS: Win7 Home Premium (or Ultimate, can't remember) 64-bit
Mobo: GA-X58A-UD3R
CPU: Intel i7 930 @2.8GHz
GPU: XFX Radeon HD 5850 ZNFC 1GB GDDR5 Linky
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 3x2GB DDR3 1600
(Any other specs you need?)

PR settings:
1920x1080 @60Hz (also running the monitor in 1080p)
All settings at High
AA x4
View 100%

I do not believe that it is because of my high resolution because I have seen where other people with a 5850 could run games at max settings and the same resolution.

I do not know if it is specific to PR since I haven't played any other demanding games on it. I will try ArmA2 next week to see how it runs since I have it sitting around. Actually I have played Empire: Total War on this rig but that was a long time ago, if it matters I couldn't run all of the settings high which I think this thing should be able to do for that game.

I have been looking at this issue for a while now and the conclusion I keep coming back to is that I got unlucky and managed to get the defect. I sure hope you can prove this wrong because now that I have OC'd I don't think I can get it replaced. (These issues were happening before I ever OC'd, I did that in an attempt to fix it thinking the card just couldn't handle the game at standard clocks.)
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On a side and possibly related note: For some reason I have major issues with youtube on this same rig. Almost every video takes very long to load, including 3 minute long vids of music and no graphics. It doesn't matter whether it's at 480p or 1080p (of course 1080 takes even longer.) My download speed is around 23Mb/s and so should not be causing this. I'm wondering if this is related to my graphics card issue. My other computer which is considerably less powerful but has very similar internet speed can download the same videos much much faster.


Also, I cannot run any experiments on the discussed computer because I will not have access to it until Monday, I just wanted to get this topic out now so I could be sure to have some solid ideas before trying anything.

Iv got two idea on what coursing this

You may be getting 23mb's from you IP, but id check your packet loss from what you said Really does sould like it could be the source of your problem.

. i found it interesting you say that empires is fine you can play that game totally maxed out, But empires is basically a single player game your not playing online, And also you say Youtube is running extremely slowly.
It seems to me every thing your doing that concerns high broad width use is coursing you problems,
You look into getting a network card and seeing if that helps.

Also they are not going to know if you over clocked the graphic's card unless you told them.

So if it still covered by the 3 month warranty replace it. Longer you wait the harder it going to be.
If that does not work, your going to have to work through your other parts until you found the problem,

Btw is your memory dual-channel, or triple channel, What does your board say it compatible with?.


PS. im getting my computer built by a friend of the family, and i got to say what your going through scares the absolute **** out of me. I hope you get on top of it.

Might be a idea if you go to. Overclocker.net and have a talk to the people there.

I have the same mobo, no problems with the networking adapter.

However I had issues with this particular modo due to a bad bios firmware. The "A" version ran subpar for me. I had to upgrade to "B" - last I have checked there is a "C" version too.

Check my new favourites, the "Event Viewer" and "Resource Monitor" (how much "System Reserved" RAM do you have?) thats how I figured out my problems.

I am runnning 6GB, i7 920, 2x GTX 460 but for testing purposes I could disable one GTX and run tests so we can compare. However not untill around christmas since I wont have access to that PC for a few more weeks.
I don't use AA (2x at most). The game runs very well almost all the time.

Please provide concrete figures on your current and desired FPS as this depends on preference.

"I have seen where other people with a 5850 could run games at max settings and the same resolution."
I can hardly believe this. So if you actually just had them tell you "mine runs fine" is not very informative.

Thanks guys for the quick feedback.

How would I monitor my packets to test that theory?

I said that I could not run Empire maxed, not that I could, but when I play it I have to start it through Steam which connects to the internet, could that be an issue?

My memory is triple channel (2GB per channel) which my motherboard supports, if I wanted I could run 6 channel even and double my current RAM.

Shall I try upgrading my bios firmware? Can it be found on Gigabytes website?

I will take a look at those and let you know my system reserved.

Possibly on Monday I will check my FPS for you. I'll get you the typical frames and what I get in dust.

If my resolution is such an issue, could it possibly be that the people that can do that OC their card even higher than mine?

Yes, I believe GA will provide the firmware, I think thats where I got it from.

Here are the problems I had and how I solved them:
https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f358-s ... t-6gb.html
(check the "Caution" section regarding BIOS update)

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f358-s ... opped.html

I do not believe in OCing... never really got into it so I do not know if OCing actually does such significant differences.

I only use one hard drive and seeing how your issue was called JRAID it looks as if it's an issue when using two drives in RAID, so I shouldn't have that problem. Is that the case?

I checked the resource monitor and it shows 257MB reserved. Which number there shows the total currently available including what's in use?

'[R-COM wrote:I do not believe in OCing... never really got into it so I do not know if OCing actually does such significant differences.

In the old day's it from what iv heard it used to be very rewarding, It not really the case these days.

Only thing id consider overclocking is the CPU.

What you might to try is to fall back onto earlier version of video drivers. Catalyst 10.10 was a total fail for me, including problems with video feeds in browser, so i jumped back onto 10.6

Wierd, when I updated from 10.9 to 10.10 I got a lot less lag. Does that mean that 10.9 is even crappier?
I might give that a try, where can I find downloads for earlier drivers?

whatshisname55 wrote:I only use one hard drive and seeing how your issue was called JRAID it looks as if it's an issue when using two drives in RAID, so I shouldn't have that problem. Is that the case?

Nope, its not. I am not running those discs in a RAID. Wouldn't make much sense ... 64GB SSD and 1TB HDD in one raid, dont even know if its possible.

whatshisname55 wrote:I checked the resource monitor and it shows 257MB reserved. Which number there shows the total currently available including what's in use?

The "Memory" Tab gives a pretty fair picture of how what is used. Give us a screenshot and I'll see on explaining the figures.


Haha, true I read somebody telling something along the lines of how catalysts are like wine... the older the better. xD

Ok sorry it took so long but here are the FPS.

Kashan Desert, 7 players (coop, 1 bot)
Regular FPS without action nearby: 80+
FPS after driving into dust cloud from HE tank round: 20 at first second then went up to 50 as the dust dissipated, then back to 80+ after all dust was gone.

I'll try updated my BIOS and see if that does anything. Will also try reverting to Catalyst 10.6 if I can.
I doubt any of those will help though since I'm beginning to believe it's just my high resolution causing the lag. I find it odd though that this only happens with dust clouds, any ideas why that might be?

Edit:
So I'm looking at the BIOS updates here and there are a few now. I'm not sure which one I should download, if I download those newer ones like FD or FE1 (probably won't get FE1 since it's a beta) would those include the updates from the previous ones, FB and FC?

whatshisname55 wrote:So I'm looking at the BIOS updates here and there are a few now. I'm not sure which one I should download, if I download those newer ones like FD or FE1 (probably won't get FE1 since it's a beta) would those include the updates from the previous ones, FB and FC?

Anyone have an answer? I'd like to do this today.
(Sorry for double post.)

As mentioned in my other thread I updated the BIOS successfully.
I used FD and Gigabyte's "@BIOS" to do that (even though @BIOS only suggested "FC" as newest).

I had it reset to defaults (because I knew what things I changed in bios) but did not check the other option about deleting or clearing something (sry, don't quite remember the exact keyword).


As to your framedrops in BF2...
I am unsure how dust is generated in BF2 but I think it was simply a bunch of 3D-Sprites this would mean that the majority of computational power would be spent on transparencies and anti-aliasing.
Turn those off (esp. anti-aliasing for transparency) to see if it has any effect.

That's interesting, at least a month ago I had turned AA down to x4 to see if that helped and it did. I was curious as to why AA would cause lag with dust, thanks for clearing that up.
I will update my BIOS hopefully on Sunday to FD. I've been having other problems and though I'm doubtful the BIOS will help the lag in PR I'm hoping it can fix those other issues like sometimes when I turn on the PC it just sits on a black screen and in the BIOS when I can pick options for starting in safe mode the keyboard doesn't turn on so I just have to wait for the countdown. >.>