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My main reason for wanting 3D markers in vehicles is to bring back BVR fire.

I remember BVR Cobra fire being one of the most rewarding teamplay experiences I have ever had. It would also compensate (kind of) for Bf2's horrible visual distance.

BVR was OP, now it is still possible and not OP. I remember piloting Havoc in silent eagle and bvring w/o spotter on spots we thought that may be enemy. From our total score 14 kills were purely random kill via spraying cannon on unlucky guys who just passed some streets in village, etc. Really dumb stuff.

So no, gameplay is a lot better w/o markers, both for inf and vehicles. Dunno why we had markers for so long time.

I agree to this, markers only for vehicles

NO! thats one of the reasons why the 3d markers have been removed!
its the most lame thing ever and if youre sklled you still can BVRing wihtout 3d markers.

Zoddom wrote: its the most lame thing ever and if youre sklled you still can BVRing wihtout 3d markers.

This. If you, Operator, find bvr to be rewarding, trust me - now it is A LOT more rewarding that it could ever be before.

No, just no.

As Zoddom stated, BVR firing was probably the main reason 3D markers were removed. I don't see this happening at all, sorry.

I actually agree with this idea. Don't many vehicles IRL when combined with helmets provide holographic 3D huds? If you're so worried about BVR fire you could just disable them at distances beyond view.

whatshisname55 wrote:I actually agree with this idea.
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If you're so worried about BVR fire you could just disable them at distances beyond view.

now what? operator said he wants them because of BVR. so i guess you dont agree to taht

Ah, well no, BVR is obnoxious.

BVR was only irritating because it's victims couldn't see the street they were on explode all around them. I mean, honestly, BVR isnt exactly cheap OR gamebreaking. It just seems...natural to me. Doesn't it to you?

Great Teamwork = Greater Rewards

Operator009 wrote:Great Teamwork = Greater Rewards

You see, you didn't really need teamwork. A grid perhaps? A marker by any SL?

Or just spam those numerous bullets you got on the Cobra gun?

goguapsy wrote:You see, you didn't really need teamwork. A grid perhaps? A marker by any SL?

Or just spam those numerous bullets you got on the Cobra gun?

A lot of you guys have been saying this. Let me put it to rest. You cant use 2d markers for accurate BVR fire. They give you 2 dimensions of coordinate when you need three, get it?

And spray and pray is NOT bvr fire. Any chimp can spray and pray.

I think it is fine, its not that hard to look at a little thing in the corner of your screen called a map :O

Stop the presses pressing the M button has gotten a little bit more easy.

Operator009 wrote:...They give you 2 dimensions of coordinate when you need three, get it?...

Its not that hard to get the spotter to lase the target, tell you in detail where the target is ect, then you can come into visual range and shoot it. You are much more effective this way and can take out target quicker.

It takes alot more teamwork this way because you need to know where to targets heading, nearby landmarks, where to come in from, and if there is anything there that might be able to kill you.

Its unfair if you can shoot someone from beyond the fog. You might not think that, but once you are the target that keeps getting shot and unable to shoot back then you will see how unfair it is.

cheap tactics = only rewarding for those that are doing it

No. 3D markers should not be back, and neither should BVR

On the other hand, if just jets could have 3D markers, i think that would be ok. But only jets. Simply because its 10x harder to find an lase, 10x easier to go off the map and not know the way back, and 10x harder to find the runway

Operator009 wrote: I remember BVR Cobra fire being one of the most rewarding teamplay experiences I have ever had.

NO NO NO NO.


I hated having no 3d markers at first but got used to it and remembered when aircraft could kill me without even seeing me.

3D markers are boooooo.

VapoMan wrote:Its unfair if you can shoot someone from beyond the fog. You might not think that, but once you are the target that keeps getting shot and unable to shoot back then you will see how unfair it is.

cheap tactics = only rewarding for those that are doing it

Quoted for awesomeness of truth & large quantities of agreement.

BVR is still possible with a spotter, it just requires actual teamwork that Operator is so fond of

We took out the 3d markers to remove BVR. Do you really think we would put them back in so you could have BVR again?

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