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Hey Guys,
This is simply a discussion not a suggestion or something...
But haven't you noticed that the US weapons are a bit underpowered when compared to other Bluefors? Or even some Opfors!
I mean look at the British, They have the most accurate gun in the game which is the L85 and which can be used effictively in Full Auto mode..
Same for the Israelis with their Tavor, Same for Germans and Canadians...
Also the Russians which are considered opfor in some cases...
Also, All Factions have Full automatic guns except for the Americans...
Some times when I am playing as American infantry and I aim at someone and I wait 4-5 seconds my gun will still be unaccurate while in the AK-47 I can dive and shoot and hit before the american.
So what do you think?

Cheers,
Punkbuster

M4+ Double tap to the chest+???=profit

Punkbuster wrote: In real life the US army is supposed to have the best guns while ingame it apparently doesn't

Says who?

Use single not burst and its plain sailing

Pretty sure all 5.56 weapons have pretty much the same code anyhow?

lol, supposed to have the best guns, because their leet and western? Thats funny, IRL US forces QQ about M4 being ineffective in Afghanistan due to small caliber, short barrel and range of engagements. About the burst, they use burst IRL and thats the only thing that really matters ingame.. burst is just lame burst, while auto is semi, burst and auto all in one.
Also, all assault rifles except maybe AK-47 have the same accuracy (deviation).

emmm not too sure about the US having the best weaponry, there have been many arguments over that.

However I don't think that the US are underpowered in the game considering who they are usually against, which is mostly insurgents. In this case they have better HMMWV gunner protection, air assets, and scoped weaponry.

To be honest, to me they seem pretty well balanced. If you look at MEC for example, they may have automatic weapons, but try to hit something with a G3 on full-auto. Anyway the recoil of the M4/M16 is pretty low allowing a bigger amount of bullets (which is better :mrgreen and better target efficiency. To cut it, no US is not underpowerd, auto shouldn't be used anyway and burst is in some cases even better, just have to get used to it (and yes the Tavor and AK-74 are bloody unfair, but so is the M249). Maybe these are my personal feelings, but I'm kinda glad that the US have burst fire-mode, gives a bit of diversity and spice to the fights and I love the M16.

Edit: And that

hobbnob wrote:emmm not too sure about the US having the best weaponry

Nebsif wrote: burst is just lame burst, while auto is semi, burst and auto all in one.

lol what???!!!?!?!?

hobbnob wrote:emmm not too sure about the US having the best weaponry, there have been many arguments over that.

However I don't think that the US are underpowered in the game considering who they are usually against, which is mostly insurgents. In this case they have better HMMWV gunner protection, air assets, and scoped weaponry.

I am only talking about US infantry... Not US Army

Punkbuster wrote:lol what???!!!?!?!?

When ure on burst u can only fire a 3 round burst, while when ur on auto u can fire round by round if ur skillzord, u can fire in short/long bursts or just empty ur whole clip from into a guy who just popped a meter infront of u.
BTW US marines are gonna convert a bunch of their M4's to full auto IRL, about time . ^^

Nebsif wrote:lol, supposed to have the best guns, because their leet and western? Thats funny, IRL US forces QQ about M4 being ineffective in Afghanistan due to small caliber, short barrel and range of engagements. About the burst, they use burst IRL and thats the only thing that really matters ingame.. burst is just lame burst, while auto is semi, burst and auto all in one.
Also, all assault rifles except maybe AK-47 have the same accuracy (deviation).

Another reason why I want the HK416 to be fielded.

Nebsif wrote:When ure on burst u can only fire a 3 round burst, while when ur on auto u can fire round by round if ur skillzord, u can fire in short/long bursts or just empty ur whole clip from into a guy who just popped a meter infront of u.
BTW US marines are gonna convert a bunch of their M4's to full auto IRL, about time . ^^

Source to back your claim up?

Fluffywuffy wrote:Source to back your claim up?

Woopz, its teh Army Anyway, sauce: Upgrade kits for M4 come in 2011
(M4A1 = full auto M4..)

I full well know the reason why fully automatic weapons are barely ever used (simply put: you miss too much, waste of ammo, degrades your weapon faster, heats it up more, etc. etc.), however, PR still remains a game. In games, fully automatic weapons will be good.

I think the M4 that US army uses is a wonderful weapon. Even if they normally are only faced against insurgents that have 'lesser equipment' I very much so hate that I do not have a full auto option.

In close quarter combat, that one burst is both the first and last thing you're going to fire. Either you hit, or you die too fast for another burst by 20 bullets flying your way instead of the 3 flying to your enemy, fired from a hostile fully automatic weapon. This is not only true against insurgents, but also agains the chinese, whom I hate fighting even more as American than insurgents. The Chinese weapons are far superior to the american ones for close/medium range. On long range the m4 is going to win, however those engagements are barely ever present.

Nebsif wrote:When ure on burst u can only fire a 3 round burst, while when ur on auto u can fire round by round if ur skillzord, u can fire in short/long bursts or just empty ur whole clip from into a guy who just popped a meter infront of u.
BTW US marines are gonna convert a bunch of their M4's to full auto IRL, about time . ^^

That's why I like full auto.. I never shoot full auto although I keep my gun on full auto, But I use it to shoot single shots or 2 shots burst... But 3 shots make sucks...
When I am close enough, Especially in no zoom guns... I use full auto and empty a whole clip on someone!
That's why I like full auto!

Nebsif's link wrote: "What the M4A1 gives our Soldiers is a heavy barrel and fully automatic -- that's what the field is asking for,"

A funny comment backing up my opinion

Punkbuster wrote:lol what???!!!?!?!?

yeah. the m249 is full auto all time time, yet we all manage to fire bursts from it. only time you use semi-auto is in long range engagements(which are rare). US does get the short end of the stick when it comes to small arms.

we can also talk fear. if im not expecting someone to shoot at me, and a single round lands near me, i might just go and take cover. however is 5 to 10 bullets land near me, im going to end up leaping from my seat and be stunned for a second.

you go from "Hey, somebodys shooting at me." to "OH GOD OH GOD!!!! WHERES IT COMING FROM!?!??!!!"

the M16's the Hamas have a really nice. full auto + low recoil = i win the firefight.

Punkbuster wrote:I am only talking about US infantry... Not US Army
Sorry for double post... Its a mistake...

um... US Army have infantry... So do US Marines...

Nebsif wrote:When ure on burst u can only fire a 3 round burst, while when ur on auto u can fire round by round if ur skillzord, u can fire in short/long bursts or just empty ur whole clip from into a guy who just popped a meter infront of u.
BTW US marines are gonna convert a bunch of their M4's to full auto IRL, about time . ^^

No we are not going to convert any M4s that is the US Army's project... Even your source you put states that!

Marines will not upgrade M4 Carbines | The Firearm Blog

Nebsif wrote:lol, supposed to have the best guns, because their leet and western? Thats funny, IRL US forces QQ about M4 being ineffective in Afghanistan due to small caliber, short barrel and range of engagements. About the burst, they use burst IRL and thats the only thing that really matters ingame.. burst is just lame burst, while auto is semi, burst and auto all in one.
Also, all assault rifles except maybe AK-47 have the same accuracy (deviation).

Not rly... all coalition weapons "suck" in Afghanistan if you do not clean them... I am aware of the study you are talking about and 90% of US Soldiers/Marines had confidence in their weapon. The bullet size was an issue however the USMC and US Army have changed bullet types for infantry and now using a deadlier bullet for the M4/M16 series of weapons! The US Army is now fielding the M855A1 and the USMC are fielding the SOST bullet!

Leatherneck November 2008 Issue (I will scan the article ASAP) (States that US Soldiers/Marines had confidence in their weapon, so does wiki which took the Leatherneck article but failed to source it properly)

Army begins shipping improved 5.56mm cartridge (New bullet US Army)

During testing, the M855A1 performed better than current 7.62mm ball ammunition against certain types of targets, blurring the performance differences that previously separated the two rounds.

Tactical-Life.com ? M855A1 “green” ammo shipped to Afghanistan.

The M855A1 has a ?number of significant enhancements not found in the current round. These include improved hard-target capability, more dependable, consistent performance at all distances, improved accuracy, reduced muzzle flash and a higher velocity,? the press release stated.

Weapons Stuff: The Marines To Use MK 318 MOD 0 Ammo In Afghanistan | Feral Jundi

SOCom developed the new rounds for use with the Special Operations Force Combat Assault Rifle, or SCAR, which needed a more accurate bullet because its short barrel, at 13.8 inches, is less than an inch shorter than the M4 carbine?s. Using an open-tip match round design common with some sniper ammunition, SOST rounds are designed to be ?barrier blind,? meaning they stay on target better than existing M855 rounds after penetrating windshields, car doors and other objects.

Compared to the M855, SOST rounds also stay on target longer in open air and have increased stopping power through ?consistent, rapid fragmentation which shortens the time required to cause incapacitation of enemy combatants,? according to Navy Department documents.

My answers are in bold!

we can also talk fear. if im not expecting someone to shoot at me, and a single round lands near me, i might just go and take cover. however is 5 to 10 bullets land near me, im going to end up leaping from my seat and be stunned for a second.

you go from "Hey, somebodys shooting at me." to "OH GOD OH GOD!!!! WHERES IT COMING FROM!?!??!!!"

I experience quite the opposite. If there's single shots coming I'm like "Dang, I'm taking fire". If there's 10 bullets landing at once, I'm more like "Someone soon will have to reload, my squad'll finish him off even if he kills me". Machine guns are the exception of course, but you can tell whether it's accurate deployed LMG fire you're taking or someone spraying with an assault rifle.

Nebsif wrote:Woopz, its teh Army Anyway, sauce: Upgrade kits for M4 come in 2011
(M4A1 = full auto M4..)

It's not 2011 yet!

Coming from a US Army Infantryman. No I do not think the US in underpowered in the game with respects to assault rifles.

However, I would like to see the M240 Bravo. Its widely regarded as our best and most reliable weapon as far as light infantry goes.

The enemy doesnt run when they hear the M4 and SAW popping off but the sound of the The Bravo isnt one that makes them want to stick around.

and no the US is not converting to full auto anytime soon despite what you read. If you followed everything published in magazines and stuff we would have a new assault rifle every few months.

Doro wrote:Coming from a US Army Infantryman. No I do not think the US in underpowered in the game with respects to assault rifles.

However, I would like to see the M240 Bravo. Its widely regarded as our best and most reliable weapon as far as light infantry goes.

The enemy doesnt run when they hear the M4 and SAW popping off but the sound of the The Bravo isnt one that makes them want to stick around.

and no the US is converting to full auto anytime soon despite what you read. If you followed everything published in magazines and stuff we would have a new assault rifle every few months.

exactly and it is not all US Forces just the US Army... The Marines are not going to do it and if you read into the upgrades all that is different about the weapons is a heavier barrel, new rail system and a new bolt...

im pretty sure the M4 in Semi and Full Auto, the M16a2/a4 is semi and burst but the army M4 should be Full and semi...correct?