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[0.957]U.S.ARMY M4 Reflex Sight Inaccuracy
Posted: 2011-01-20 05:38
by Glizy
First, this sight is not well aligned...
Second, I've tested this for many times, and even compared with Red Dot Sight of M4.
----I'm convinced that EOTech Sight of M4 is not accurate on aiming.
Bullets hit the spot a little
"lower" than the top of front sight (range: 30m).
It's lethal on the range over 100m! Without correction, you cant hit a prone guy!
Hope to be fixed~

Re: [0.957]U.S.ARMY M4 Reflex Sight Inaccuracy
Posted: 2011-01-20 10:50
by Doc.Pock
then aim for the Irons. do you expect in RL a soldier would have its sights alligned to ''1 pixel'' accuratlewy
Re: [0.957]U.S.ARMY M4 Reflex Sight Inaccuracy
Posted: 2011-01-20 11:12
by Glizy
Not aligned is fine...
Attention on the second pic:
For other iron sights, just aim with the "pinpoint" of front sight.
But this one, you need to aim higher...
I just hope this one to be same with others.
Re: [0.957]U.S.ARMY M4 Reflex Sight Inaccuracy
Posted: 2011-01-20 13:27
by Wraith
Your talking about the difference between "sight on" and a 6 o'clock sight picture. Due a little research into how it works in the real world then post.
Re: [0.957]U.S.ARMY M4 Reflex Sight Inaccuracy
Posted: 2011-01-20 13:40
by -=shootmeplz=-
Wraith wrote:Your talking about the difference between "sight on" and a 6 o'clock sight picture. Due a little research into how it works in the real world then post.
share your wisdom with us. how does it work in real life and is it a bug or not?
Re: [0.957]U.S.ARMY M4 Reflex Sight Inaccuracy
Posted: 2011-01-20 13:44
by Glizy
You misunderstood me...
If you sight on respectively with EOTech sight and iron sights, with no mouse movement,
you'll find they are not aiming at the same spot.
Difference is in pixels, but makes great deviation on 100m or longer.
Re: [0.957]U.S.ARMY M4 Reflex Sight Inaccuracy
Posted: 2011-01-20 13:47
by Chuc
Thanks for reporting Glizy, we will investigate the issue.
Re: [0.957]U.S.ARMY M4 Reflex Sight Inaccuracy
Posted: 2011-01-20 14:09
by Glizy
Thanks Chuc

Re: [0.957]U.S.ARMY M4 Reflex Sight Inaccuracy
Posted: 2011-01-20 14:12
by DankE_SPB
[R-DEV]Chuc wrote:Thanks for reporting Glizy, we will investigate the issue.
I think it was noticed at development with attempt to fix it, but minimal move to the right led to same problem, just mirrored

Re: [0.957]U.S.ARMY M4 Reflex Sight Inaccuracy
Posted: 2011-01-20 14:15
by Glizy
[R-DEV]DankE_SPB wrote:I think it was noticed at development with attempt to fix it, but minimal move to the right led to same problem, just mirrored
hmmm...not just left or right, but also up/down.

Re: [0.957]U.S.ARMY M4 Reflex Sight Inaccuracy
Posted: 2011-01-20 15:26
by USMCMIDN
Doc.Pock wrote:then aim for the Irons. do you expect in RL a soldier would have its sights alligned to ''1 pixel'' accuratlewy
mine is sighted in... I can hit my targets at 100 meters with a 1.5 MOA.
Re: [0.957]U.S.ARMY M4 Reflex Sight Inaccuracy
Posted: 2011-01-20 19:13
by BenHamish
I noticed this too.. Thanks for bringing it to my attention that it's elevation is off as well
Ben
Re: [0.957]U.S.ARMY M4 Reflex Sight Inaccuracy
Posted: 2011-01-20 19:40
by CastleBravo
I was also under the impression that most soldiers using an EOTech like that would move their eye up slightly so that the front sight post would not obscure the EOTech reticle. With a parallax free holographic sight like that there is no need to line up the front sight post. As you move your eye around in relation to the sights on your weapon, the EOTech reticle moves with it so that what you see through the holographic reticle is always the point of impact ,regardless of where your eye is, as long as you can still see the reticle.
Here are four pictures of the same gun (not mine, I got the pics from
here).
In the this picture the rear peep sight is raised and as you can see the EOTech will co-witness with the iron sights when your eye is looking through them.
In the next picture the rear sight is lowered and the camera has moved up and left from its previous position in relation to the gun, but due to the way the optics work the reticle appears to move up and left in the sight window as well and is still covering the correct point of impact.
Heres another pic with the camera again in a slightly different position. The EOTech is still showing the correct point of impact.
I personally think the reflex sight picture in PR should look more like the last pic here where the reflex reticle appears above the front sight post to represent a soldier that understands how his optics work and chooses to look through the upper portion of the sight window so that his sight picture is not obscured by the front sight post.
Re: [0.957]U.S.ARMY M4 Reflex Sight Inaccuracy
Posted: 2011-01-20 23:07
by USMCMIDN
CastleBravo wrote:I was also under the impression that most soldiers using an EOTech like that would move their eye up slightly so that the front sight post would not obscure the EOTech reticle. With a parallax free holographic sight like that there is no need to line up the front sight post. As you move your eye around in relation to the sights on your weapon, the EOTech reticle moves with it so that what you see through the holographic reticle is always the point of impact ,regardless of where your eye is, as long as you can still see the reticle.
Here are four pictures of the same gun (not mine, I got the pics from
here).
In the this picture the rear peep sight is raised and as you can see the EOTech will co-witness with the iron sights when your eye is looking through them.
In the next picture the rear sight is lowered and the camera has moved up and left from its previous position in relation to the gun, but due to the way the optics work the reticle appears to move up and left in the sight window as well and is still covering the correct point of impact.
Heres another pic with the camera again in a slightly different position. The EOTech is still showing the correct point of impact.
I personally think the reflex sight picture in PR should look more like the last pic here where the reflex reticle appears above the front sight post to represent a soldier that understands how his optics work and chooses to look through the upper portion of the sight window so that his sight picture is not obscured by the front sight post.
good idea throw it in the suggestions...
Re: [0.957]U.S.ARMY M4 Reflex Sight Inaccuracy
Posted: 2011-01-20 23:15
by DankE_SPB
And sure you had to quote that whole wall of text and pictures to write one-line reply right after that post

Re: [0.957]U.S.ARMY M4 Reflex Sight Inaccuracy
Posted: 2011-01-21 01:38
by USMCMIDN
[R-DEV]DankE_SPB wrote:And sure you had to quote that whole wall of text and pictures to write one-line reply right after that post
lol yeh Im inconsiderate like that sometimes my bad.
Re: [0.957]U.S.ARMY M4 Reflex Sight Inaccuracy
Posted: 2011-01-21 01:48
by Mongolian_dude
I do feel that the positioning of the reticule over the irons (In PR) offers no real advantage to using the irons; the reticule just getting in the way of using the front iron. Maybe the reticule should be separated and positioned above the irons.
...mongol...