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So last night I was playing Muttrah as MEC and I had the LAT kit. A huey made the mistake of landing about 60m away from me while I had my LAT handy (he must have seen me as he flew low right past me, but he landed anyway, not sure why). The second the Marines popped out, I scored a direct hit into the rear of the chopper. The explosion killed three of them instantly and the others died shortly after, but the chopper just took off as if nothing happened. I refuse to believe a Huey can shrug off a direct hit from a rocket designed to punch through several hundred millimeters of rolled steel and just fly away. But then if they get tagged by a dozen .50 caliber rounds they smoke and go down. What gives?

Sounds like a victim of hit detection. A LAT would have definitely made it smoke for sure, if not finish it off.

Huey are bugged imo. Check on some training maps how many hits can huey take before exploding - it's quite insane.

I think they use some kind of space material to produce them.

And yet in real life the sheet metal used is so thin and soft that i can bend the panels by poking it with my finger.
And I won't be surprised if i can make a huey inoperable using nothing but a craft knife.
lol

But yeah give the devs a break how they hell are they going to know what happens when you fire a RPG26 at a huey without actually doing it.

And in sake of gameplay IE making the LATS overpowered or making the hueys invincible. i think it's ok right now.
Just tweak the huey's health a little bit so it goes to the failing out of the sky but not blowing up mode when hit by a LAT. That shouldn't be too much as I remember firing a LAT at a bot huey and then emptied half a mag of M16 (I found the kit I'm not a team killer) And then it lost power and landed sortive and then exploded. So a few minor tweaks and it should be fine

Last night I fired four AA missiles into a huey about 50-100m away. The helicopter managed to land and the pilot limped away. It happens.

In lashkar...Spg into huey cockpit..no kill.

Huh? I can take 3 AA rockets in a Huey or sometimes even 4 and still survive.

This chopper is a literal air tank.

[R-CON]nedlands1 wrote:Last night I fired four AA missiles into a huey about 50-100m away. The helicopter managed to land and the pilot limped away. It happens.

Literally, it sometimes happen to shot down a huey using AA, rare though.
Just compare how easy is to shot down a cobra and a huey on muttrah.

Moonlight wrote:Literally, it sometimes happen to shot down a huey using AA, rare though.

It has to be hovering to explode on direct hit. Otherwise direct hit with one or more AA won't kill it.

its really the huey. it is invincible. the easiest kill Ive gotten on a Huey using a hat/lat/AA was when i hit a cobra hovering around 200m and its wreck hit the Huey mid flight. XD

lukeyu2005 wrote:But yeah give the devs a break how they hell are they going to know what happens when you fire a RPG26 at a huey without actually doing it.

They could check out the wikipedia page: RPG-26 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"...capable of penetrating 440 millimeters of armour"

Like you said, the Huey doesn't have even 40mm of armor. In real life (like Vietnam), lucky shots from small arms could bring one down. AK-47 rounds could easily pierce the cockpit and floor of the chopper, killing occupants within.

If I can take out an APC with a single RPG-26, then it should be pretty common sense that it would rape a chopper to pieces. Choppers are not APC's.

To the others who mentioned hit detection issues, that wasn't it either since it very clearly detonated on the chopper, the dead bodies from the explosion being the proof. The chopper is bunk. It needs to be fixed. It should be as easy to kill as any other chopper, like the Kiowa, which is so incredibly easy to get shot out of or shot down in it's sad.

Just to point out Sex Cactus, the Kiowa should be more vulnerable than the Huey, afaik it has no ballistic protection (being a light scout/attack helicopter).

It may well be sad to be so easily shot out of it, but that's life. And Kiowa rapes anyhow .

Funny thing; a few weeks ago I got a shot on Kiowa with INS deployable antitank. Hit it on top window, just below propeller. It did not go down

I think this is the same case for the Lynx, my friend got a bombcar and I rode shotgun looking out the sunroof with an RPG, and I saw a Lynx trying to drop off a sniper on top of a bunch of silos, (this was on Al Basrah btw), after waiting for about 5 seconds I fired a shot and it hit the pilot in the face, he died and both the pilot and the sniper fell out of the heli, (the sniper was still alive when he was falling), but the chopper was still operational.

Funny moment at least

Yeah had problems taking down the Lynx last week on Dragon Fly, the pilot was so **** sure he was landing all over the map, I saw him take a LAT to the face of the chopper and fly away with light grey smoke.

Later in the round he was picking up a full squad in one of the northern fields, I had the HAT ready and as he was sitting there I was explaining to my team on VOIP I was bout to nail him. I hit it in the cockpit with the militia HAT kit direct hit from 50m away and he flies off with nothing more than a bit of smoke. I was annoyed to say the least.

Keep in mind that using the wrong warhead on the wrong target gives that target a chance to give away.

There's a reason, for example, that an APFSDS round on a logistics truck rarely has the desired effect.

Regardless, while the huey might have been crippled in real life, I urge you to always take shots in PR to wound the pilot, not the helicopter. It's much easier to kill the pilot than it is to get BF2 to agree that you did infact deal enough damage to the aircraft to disable it.

That's good advice Mat. I once shot down a Black Hawk with a humble RPG by hitting it in the cockpit and killing the Pilot.

mat552 wrote:Keep in mind that using the wrong warhead on the wrong target gives that target a chance to give away.

There's a reason, for example, that an APFSDS round on a logistics truck rarely has the desired effect.

Regardless, while the huey might have been crippled in real life, I urge you to always take shots in PR to wound the pilot, not the helicopter. It's much easier to kill the pilot than it is to get BF2 to agree that you did infact deal enough damage to the aircraft to disable it.

That's just ridiculous. I refuse to believe that shooting an anti-tank weapon at the rear of a chopper would do anything but blow it to tiny bits. You realize that they keep all of that fuel in the tail, right?

Can't really shoot at the pilot when the chopper lands with its back to you. It doesn't matter anyway because hitting it in the cockpit would likely do nothing as well.

I suggest everyone stop making excuses for why this happens in PR and focus on how to fix it because there's no reason in the world it should happen. If PR is to be moderately realistic, then shit like this MUST be hashed out.

Sex_Cactus wrote:... It doesn't matter anyway because hitting it in the cockpit would likely do nothing as well. ...

The glass is penetrable like it is in cars, you can kill the occupants that way.

LAT's all have HEAT wearheads, which as far as i'm aware (uneducated guess in other words!) would badly F.U. any sort of helicopter if hit in a structural area.

That said however, newer generations of helicopter are all designed with redundant engines/gearboxes etc to prevent a 'one shot kill' (see the thread on RPG vs BlackHawk). Damage limitation though obviously, not making them invulnerable.

With regard to the older gen choppers (like the Huey) all transport helis in PR have a large ability to take LAT/RPG hits for gameplay reasons. That's why the attack choppers *seem* so relitively puny vs SAMs.

The engine in BF2 doesn't allow complex models like Arma2 might, so the result is, like Mat said, that you have to try and kill the pilots.

I think we all agree that the Huey needs tweaking though.

Hueys now days are really tough... Iam a pilot and I love to use CAS on barracuda, I cant count how many times I was hit with LAT or AA and just nothing happend... I remember one funny situation when I was huvering over trees and I spotted enemy infantry that was just after firing lat at me ofc Huey got hit right in the front, what happend to infantry? I remember my sppoter saying "all down"....