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A call to new PR players

Posted: 2011-02-07 07:38
by Mouthpiece
Please do tell your Squad Leader if you have little knowledge of this game, especially if he orders you to do something that you haven't done before. Most of the times he or another friendly squadmember will explain "how to do X?", just don't ask him while he's or your squad is actively engaged in a firefight. It'll make things easier for you, him, your squad and that means it'll benifit the whole team. What worth is a HAT that explodes nowhere near the armoured target? Or a deployable AntiAir (MANPADS) beeing fired without a lock-on? I've seen it happen, and sometimes it can mean between life and death.

Stick with a rifleman kit until your Squad Leader assigns a kit or asks for a volunteer for some other kit. Or if you have confidence that you can use a certain limited kit, ask your squad leader if your squad needs one, e.g., don't grab a marksman or a sniper from crate without knowing the big idea - maybe your next objective will be to clear out some buildings; it's quite difficult to do that with scoped gun. Every kit has it's specific use. The kits that seem simple (rifleman - ammo, medic - revive, AR - precise suppression/death) are the backbone of every infantry squad, especially the medic. At the beginning of my SL days I used to assign medic to anyone (favouriting beginners; probably because I played medic alot as a newb and failed a lot), but now I never will assign it to a beginner - it's the second most essential kit in PR (first beeing the SL), and if a medic gets cut off my squad I usually shit my pants. That's how valuablehe is.

Sorry for the rant-like feeling and qualities this topic has. I've been inspired by playing a few rounds in TG 3 hours ago. Nightime - noobtime (at least when it's dark in Europe) :>

Re: A call to new PR players

Posted: 2011-02-07 08:41
by AfterDune
It's not nice to call new players "noobs", you're mistaking that term with "newbs". I've changed the thread title to something more appropriate.

Re: A call to new PR players

Posted: 2011-02-07 08:49
by CopyCat
or adresse them some how to this thread: https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f10-pr-bf2-general-discussion/93412-project-reality-training.html. And please don't tell players to "f*** off", "go get some skills" and so on, on some lonely training servers, even tho that's the way most of us learned how to play. But now, we have developed a project, a training system that actually works effectively :)

/CC

Re: A call to new PR players

Posted: 2011-02-08 13:30
by chainsaw.exe
Yeah it's annoying when you get those players on training, especially when they go on a server to do some owning in a jet while you're trying to learn to fly :mad:

Re: A call to new PR players

Posted: 2011-02-08 14:30
by Serbiak
Mouthpiece, although I agree with the basic matter you stated you should probably consider telling it to players in game because this just looks like someone playing since .9 thinks he is the pr expert.

I could imagine you might not want to look like a smart-arse wannabe.

Re: A call to new PR players

Posted: 2011-02-08 20:12
by Mouthpiece
Mouthpiece, although I agree with the basic matter you stated you should probably consider telling it to players in game because this just looks like someone playing since .9 thinks he is the pr expert.
I'm sorry if it looks like that, good sir. I can't think of a better place than this considering the fact that beginners sometimes visit the forum.
And I've also done it ingame and actually it went kinda good - (after me typing it out in CAPS) two guys declared they were beginners and I almost explained one of them how to shoot a HAT. "Almost" - because there was a tank and some inf hunting us (ze Germans) in Silent Eagle's 2nd flag (VHC?). Also one guy couldn't man the HMG (didn't press "E"), I helped him.

And yes, I am playing since .9 and been learning quite fast (tnx to forums and community, especially the pr-game-tactics-strategies section). As you can see I'm not talking about being a PR expert, but about simple PR knowledge like "I spawned, what to do now?" or "how to man and use an asset?". Anyway, if you want we can talk about "being the PR expert", I definetly could teach you some stuff :mrgreen:

Re: A call to new PR players

Posted: 2011-02-08 20:36
by SnipeHunt
I lol'd at his name..

Re: A call to new PR players

Posted: 2011-02-08 22:26
by Serbiak
Mouthpiece wrote:I definetly could teach you some stuff :mrgreen:
I'm just gonna smile at that guess :grin: . Told you, you sound like you want to be the expert.

Re: A call to new PR players

Posted: 2011-02-09 00:48
by hawkeye52
I only played on the training server for months till the new release got rid of it...I never felt confident in my PR ability (and also loved flying without screwing the whole team).

I just got back in about a month ago and had a ton to learn from all the new changes in 0.9 and 0.95. Was a rifleman kit for the first couple of weeks and was a complete rookie.

Squad leader convinced me to be a medic since no one wanted it. Due to not having a scope I was doing really bad and letting the whole team die at first. The next time though I learned to hang back >50m or so, and watch as each member took hits and it was a full time job just making the rounds to everyone. Sooner or later was the top player on the server, without even making a kill. I got this huge realization that shooting stuff is not always the point.

being medic has skyrocketing my ability to understand teamwork, IFF, and situational awareness. I recommend a new guy tries it out after at least doing a couple rounds as rifleman.

TLDR: Try out medic....always use VOIP!

/still a rookie

Re: A call to new PR players

Posted: 2011-02-09 01:32
by goguapsy
^hawkeye52, you might even achieve a BETTER performance by using the red-dot medic... right click when requesting the kit from a crate.



Guys, I don't know what the aggressivity here is all about (apparently, something related to Mouthpiece's "self-declared big e-penis" or something like that). This is a game, you don't need 10,000+hours to "master" this... (if that's even possible, considering the nature of randomness in PR's MP gameplay).

I have played once or twice with Mouthpiece, and I have had pretty much good experiences with him.

The forums is like a two-bladed knife. You might sound the way you didn't expect. I agree with what Mouthpiece said in the 1st post. That, in my opinion, is something that should be stated in the introduction paragraphs of the manual - simple as "Tell your SL you are new".

I haven't learned PR through "training" mode... I did learn how to fly in training. But you can learn MUCH faster and MUCH better when you join a good squad and tell your SL you are new. In MY opinion, the training mode is somewhat overrated. Whilst I think you should get in it to understand deviation - before you rage at your SL and SMs that you can't hit anything and the game is sh*t and stuff, and, obviously, read the manual, it is great if you learn from actual game players.

Why do you think recruits can't graduate from Special Forces school in the US Army without Combat Experience? You gotta get the FEELING. Of course, before going to battle, they read the manual (shooting ranges and stuff).

The real-life shooting ranges is like the PR paper manual. Again, training mode is overrated for infantry. Advice for "newbs"? READ the manual, PLEASE you will be doing a HUGE FAVOR for EVERYONE. Then, if you understood the basics, join the game and tell your SL you are new. I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH. Don't worry about those people that say "PRACTIce before joining a server you freakin noob!1!!!". They probably want to inflate their e-balls. Go figure why...

(However, if you want to operate vehicles such as helicopters and jets... PRACTICE PRACTICE AND PRACTICE ON A LOCAL/TRAINING SERVER!!!!!)

Here is a guide I wrote some time ago. Don't know if any helpful, but I'll link it anyway.

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f10-pr ... guide.html

Re: A call to new PR players

Posted: 2011-02-09 03:17
by Mouthpiece
Ok, to sum up: only thing to do now is to wait for everyone new to reads this. And the manual. Also if you don't want to read every other "how to play this game?" or "how to squadlead an inf squad?" topic and learn by trial and error, you can get yourself a proper training and enjoy the lessened possibility of someone calling you a noob and telling you to RTFM - https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f10-pr ... ining.html

Could you lock this topic? Thanks.

Re: A call to new PR players

Posted: 2011-02-09 03:55
by mangeface
Could all of these topics get locked from now on? I've seen at least 10 of them since I joined the forums.

Re: A call to new PR players

Posted: 2011-02-09 15:13
by goguapsy
darkside12 wrote:Could all of these topics get locked from now on? I've seen at least 10 of them since I joined the forums.
You've brought up the dark side of the community -,-

Damn you.


jk lol

Re: A call to new PR players

Posted: 2011-02-10 03:28
by mangeface
goguapsy wrote:You've brought up the dark side of the community -,-

Damn you.


jk lol

Ha. :twisted:

Re: A call to new PR players

Posted: 2011-02-10 22:57
by CopyCat
May I state that a fast learned and good understanding for co operation and teamwork is way easy to master experience in different Areas in PR.

I started of in 0.95 - Played with a friend who played 4 years now, learned from him, adapted, understood and gained great experience. Now I don't want to brag about myself, but look where I ended up, on one of the best Clans in PR, in CATA team and one of the deputies for "Training New Players".

Who thought that I will end up here in just aboout 6 months (2 of them playing on Co-op constantly)

Now just because someone has a fast way to learn some areas in this game does not make him dickhead that he actually confess that he might be a heck of a player and wants to pass on the experience and knowledge, stop judging people of how long they've played, judge instead of their interest, dedication and understanding of this community and the game :)

Heck, I might even consider you as a instructor for new players!

Mouthpiece are you interested in being a dedicated, active and interested instructor for new player, do contact me through PM, and we can have a talk, but make sure you have all understandings in kit layout and how they operate :D

/CC

EDIT: Mouthpiece sending someone to this thread just because they are beginners doesn't either make them all time noobs. Sending them to that thread to apply, is just to give them a basic insight of the game and community in just 1 or 1.30 hour training, and then a taste of real gaming on a real server, with supervision of the instructor who is training him. Instead of telling them to RTFM based on hundreds or 50 pages of reading. They can have so much more fun ^^.

Re: A call to new PR players

Posted: 2011-02-12 01:04
by Mouthpiece
Instead of telling them to RTFM based on hundreds or 50 pages of reading. They can have so much more fun ^^
What's more fun than reading? Reading about playing PR!!1 8)
Mouthpiece are you interested in being a dedicated, active and interested instructor for new player, do contact me through PM, and we can have a talk, but make sure you have all understandings in kit layout and how they operate
Thank you for the offer, but to be honest I'd rather use my (lack of) spare time playing PR. Anyway, people willing to learn are always welcome to my squad (especially if they tell me they're new to this game).