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What are you guys' opinions and experiences with sniping?

My friend and I recently started sniping in a team of 2 with me as a medic spotter. It works extremely well and we often get about 15 or so confirmed sniper kills and we always call out targets and positions for the rest of our team.

But I have almost never seen anyone else do this. I always see people grab a sniper kit when they are all by themselves and then they find the most remote possible location and just sit there the whole game. Or a 6/6 infantry squad grabs one and uses the sniper kit as basically a marksman kit.

It's strange to see such "call of duty" and "bad company" behavior in PR.

I often snipe with a partner, with them either being the SL, or a rifleman specialist to help get on rooftops. To make it valuable and not just one persons own ego and kill count, you really need to relay info to the rest of the team e.g enemy hotspots, CAS/mortar targets etc.

Sniping is fine as long as you do recon like mentioned in the op. Tip to any sniper:

If you take a shot and miss, avoid shooting again. Doing so will compromise your position greater than just the one missed shot.

After making a couple of kills, MOVE. Staying in one spot will compromise your position and will get you killed.

You do not have to account for bullet drop until you get to ranges of over 600m, but you do have to account for bullet time like any other weapon.

Actually COD behavior is where the sniper is in the action, with his squad.

Bad Company is about finding the highest point on the map and trying to snipe from there.

in PR it's not about the kills, never has been, never will(in MY eyes)l. It's mostly about reporting enemy positions and key locations and lasing for the aircraft.

Ye, I'd go with the specialist or officer kit for the spotter (for the GTLD as officer, or hook as specialist), as a good sniper squad won't need a medic. If you get wounded, have your spotter retrieve the sniper kit and get the hell out of there immediately, your mission was unsuccessful.

As long as you give intel to the team and mark enemy locations properly (map markers!), go ahead and be a sniper squad. Best have a friend or sth in the primary infantry squad whom you're in contact with via teamspeak or so, in addition to ingame voip for the sniper squad itself and mumble for the other squads. That way you have a very direct, constant line to another squad, which I think would be very effective.

Do you even need a spotter? I mean, theres no things like bullet drop or wind to tell to the sniper. In this setting you have people coming up from behind and knifing you! Or dropping C4 and blowing you up

I'd rather have my spotter check my back than spot for me.

I have never sniped btw. Because theres always some guy taking the sniper kit and going up in the mountains and just killing. A team that actually provides intel and kills some guys is good to have I guess.

cyberzomby wrote: I'd rather have my spotter check my back than spot for me.

This

cyberzomby wrote:I have never sniped btw.

and this don't match.

I rarely ever took the sniper kit but have successfully created a recon squad a few times. It is important to emphasize the priorities to the fellow stranger sniper right from the start. Then whether you're spotting, checking the back, it's up to you really - even the kit you're going to take. As long you are constantly in contact with other SLs.

I like to take someone im common with and we just sit there talking about stuff, and if there is a group of enemies setting up a FOB next to us we just be quiet and have some fun when one of us goes with a knife and the other uses the rifle.

Its not an important kit, its just a side of fun.

I find it very beneficial to have a spotter. My friend and I have established this sniper/spotter relationship, he always spots with his bino's while I keep my rifle at the ready to fire as soon as possible. I find this works because he's always finding targets and then I'm ready to shoot them as soon as I get them in my sights when he directs me on target. It also keeps me focused on other things like incoming CAS helo's or Attack choppers, or any threat posed to us while he is finding targets.

Only when I am too tired to get some proper action. It is quite relaxing lying in a good spot and reporting targets for friendlies. Calling in CAS and mortars every now and then as well as shooting targets I know that I will hit (90% of the time at least). For me it is a way to play PR when I am tired

As long as sniper/recon does what they are supposed to do, in other words what I listed and others have listed, then I appreciate it. If they just take the kit and goes silent on top of a mountain looking for kills? Fuck 'em.

Arcturus_Shielder wrote:This



and this don't match.

Why doesn't this match? He said that he WOULD rather have somebody behind him to check his back



To the Sniper discussion,
in my opinion the Sniper's Job isn't to kill as many people as possible, and I think everyone at least in the Forums would agree with that statement.
How almost everybody else said he's in the Game to give the Team Intel about enemy movement and to give Targets for CAS and Mortars. Then it's important to snipe for example the guy in the AA if the Sniper is lasing a FOB for the CAS Squad.
So the Sniper only snipes targets with hight prioritys as HATs People in TOWs or the AA. Also sniping a enemy Squadleader while the Squad is on the move can be very useful, as this stops the whole Squad because they have to try to revive him.

ITT:
People post fantasies about what they think sniping in PR is like.

In the game:
Something completely different.

Zyfort wrote:Why doesn't this match? He said that he WOULD rather have somebody behind him to check his back

Actually I did understand. It's just a wrong presumption that the SL who is supposed to be in contact with others would be "his bodyguard". Out of the two, the SL is the one that should have the priority in seeking enemies and reporting to other SLs, nevermind allowing the sniper to fire or not. So when cyber says that he has never sniped, it gives me the impression that he's imagining it the wrong way.

Truism wrote:ITT:
People post fantasies about what they think sniping in PR is like.

In the game:
Something completely different.

I know, that's why I wrote that everyone at least in the Forums would agree with that that the Snipers Job isn't to get much kills, but ingame most often some lone wolfes grap the Sniper Kit and go sniping for their own. But there's sadly nothing you can do against it.

The sniper's job, as with everyone in a game, is to do the most they can to win the game.

And no, that doesn't mean spending copious amounts of time doing sweet _ all waiting for an officer or a HAT to present themselves.

It's all situational.

Arcturus_Shielder wrote:Actually I did understand. It's just a wrong presumption that the SL who is supposed to be in contact with others would be "his bodyguard". Out of the two, the SL is the one that should have the priority in seeking enemies and reporting to other SLs, nevermind allowing the sniper to fire or not. So when cyber says that he has never sniped, it gives me the impression that he's imagining it the wrong way.

No I'm sorry I dont agree. The sniper is not someone that you have to take by the hand. Why does the SL have priority when all he can do when he spots a target is tell the sniper to shoot. If you let the sniper do the spotting and searching the SL can be the radio man for the squad and relay the information and watch the back.

If you have a capable sniper he can make up his mind on his own wether to fire or not, shoot at who and search for targets.

this is not my opinion, but this is how I feel: sniping is for kids.

cyberzomby wrote:No I'm sorry I dont agree. The sniper is not someone that you have to take by the hand. Why does the SL have priority when all he can do when he spots a target is tell the sniper to shoot. If you let the sniper do the spotting and searching the SL can be the radio man for the squad and relay the information and watch the back.

If you have a capable sniper he can make up his mind on his own wether to fire or not, shoot at who and search for targets.

Because the SL needs to have visual in order to guarantee if the sniper can fire or not?
The only one that can look at the terrain, who has a better notion of the big picture (SL's channel mainly) and can promptly warn other SLs and mark it on time. All of this is far more advisable than trusting the perception of a sniper that is probably a noob, impatient or has no tactical awareness. More than half I met just wanted to shoot targets even though respected my timing. That's why. It's a recon squad, not shooting ducks practise so you spend more time doing RECON for what a RECON squad is supposed to do than SPOTTING for the sniper.

The whole thing about watching the rear is situational. There will times that even through your line of thinking it will involve the 2 of them facing the same way. If there's a third member, the better, he can be there constantly although rare are the maps or situations that reward such number.
It is important to be aware of close surroundings, yes and I keep that in mind. Just as important as getting the hell out of there after 1 or 2 shots.

It isn't to sound a low blow to you but this is the same reason why I don't comment on land or air vehicles. Because I've rarely, rarely used them and don't have experience enough to realize what works or doesn't and little things that come with it.
I suggest you create a few recon squads and then you will realize that the role of a Recon Squad doesn't and never should fall to the sniper unless in special occasions - with the probable exception in Insurgency.

KingKong's feel is fairly accurate and I think PR community feel that for the most part. Hence why most snipers need to be educated, it's the most neglected role in the game - as in purpose for the team, not its use.

Would you change your opinion if you where playing with a trusted friend? I agree with you if you play with a random guy that you really need to hold his hand I was assuming playing with an experienced sniper.

Also, why does the sniper need a spotter? IRL there are solid reasons for it (watching fall of shot, adjustments, ability to rotate over long periods of time) but in PR a spotter gives the sniper nothing but maybe a rope and a get out of jail free card if the sniper is in completely the wrong place.

Having a spotter as a sniper is nothing but role playing. Serves no purpose at all in PR.