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g'day guys, iv been playing pr about several months after its 1st version came out and have seen a lot of changes and modifications, at present overall the game is pretty world class as far as gaming experience goes and is very well put together considering what the dev's have to work with.

just wanted to express my feedback about the British faction, most rifles on there except the sniper namely the SA80 seem to be a little too far under realistic as far as accuracy goes, seems to feel more like a paintball gun than the reputation that SA80 has produced irl, personally on a map like Al Basrah id prefer to try kill an insurgent, pickup and use his gun since it is able to be shot more accurately even without a scope, if u test it out a bit more you might find that you can out shoot any player that is holding a SA80 and even a light machine gun. RPK and PKM also out shoot everything the British have, to me this feels like a big flaw in design that should probably be looked into and be a bit closer to what the USMC or US army factions accuracy have, this is a problem that a lot of ppl i know find very demoralizing while playing the British faction.
i think what bugs me the most about this is that i play with military simulation in mind, and train my clan in military tactics so we will even attack in such ways as to leave the enemy out of effective range of a iron sight but be in effective range of our optics, but the fact is this doesn't work for British in particular at all!

i find everything about the US Army, USMC, Canadian, Taliban, Russian and Militia teams to be very good and want to congratulate them on making my gaming experience for this a good one.

Bomb trucks on the other hand are a little silly being bulletproofed but im sure balance comes into play there, but i hope balance doesnt get in the way of realism was the original goal of this game and what we are all playing it for.

at the end of the day everything else is too vast to talk about but is all good, so this concludes my feedback, cheers.

FlatkinG

The SA80 is dead accurate, if the deviation has settled completely and you're kneeling or lying down. If you walk up to someone in close quarters, the AK is going to win.

I face the same problem, really. Yesterday on fools road I made a clean 1-shot kill on a target around 400 meters away after lying still for 10 seconds with the regular rifleman kit. That same map though I ran into a militia guy about 10 meters away from me, both stopped running, aimed dead on and spreed. My bullets went everywhere except my target, his went straight through my chest and head.

I disagree with you there i have never encountered such in accuracies with the SA80 in game.

Effective Firing Range for L85: 300m
Effective firing range for Ak47: 400m

IMO the SA80 rifles are amongst the most accurate rifles of the mod.

Actually with experience you can figure out that all ingame rifles are accurate. Most of the time when we miss, it's because we are not accurate, not the weapon. As Nixy23 said, it's a matter of movement/deviation/stance/aiming technic and also server lag/client latency. Though it's easier to believe it's the weapon's fault. We just have to keep in mind some guns are better (i.e. easier to use) in cqb, others at mid-range, and adapt to survive.

i wish it was deviation and me not aiming properly etc, but fact remains from what iv seen its pretty hopeless trying to cover your mates or shoot down a enemy with huge balls that just runs through your bullets. i know all about wait times and all possible relationships with making all gun types their most accurate, it just doesnt seem to go where the cross hair is even after 30 seconds of aiming... ill just keep blaming lag i guess but i get total success with any other gun in the game, id like to ask the devs tho if its the same as the m16 or other rifles of 5.56 in the game. im convinced its different in some way, and my mates tend to think the same way.

i was late for work when i wrote that too so i had to cut it short, forgot to add to my feedback that when you shoot at technical .50 cal gunners u cant kill them from infront? im guessing thats a balance thing too. id like to be able to make a prepared shot on things, teamwork relies on the game working properly than oddly.
but other then that, if anyone has any technical details about the SA80 or any others, id like to see. it would help me with my infantry training and game play. cheers for your added feedback btw

All the rifles in game (well most IIRC) have the exact same deviation (accuracy). So the SA80 is as accurate as the m16/m4. And TBH i find your view to be very rare... the M16/m4 cannot hold its own against an AK in CQB at all i find, i find the SA80 to be the BEST gun to be using as a BLUFOR.

the SA80 w/ACOG is probably my favourite infantry rifle in game, effective on semi at range and in built up areas its great on full auto firing controlled bursts.


then at the same time i love the AK47 on semi trying to snipe people especially from compounds on kokan

But which ones better? Theres only one way to find out....FIIIIGHT!

In more seriousness, I love both the AK-47 and SA80 because I understand them, or rather I did when the SUSAT was on the SA80. I think the new sight unit wrecked my ability with it, but for all the skill I used to have with it, I still value it very highly for being 1) Better to get used to and 2) Being just a bit different to the M16.

All the 5.56 rifles in game have the same deviation. It is just your sense of the recoil that makes you think they are different. I can't find the thread that had the exact numbers.

^^correct, deviation is exactly the same.

Sgt.BountyOrig wrote:But which ones better? Theres only one way to find out....FIIIIGHT!

Someone has been watching too much Harry Hill

The SA80 with ironsights is like the most accurate weapon in the game, then again for me all the weapons with ironsights are dead on accurate.

I think its just you not knowing what the full capabilities of the gun are, CQB or long range wise.

I don't personally like the L85A2, but that's just me. It's just not one of my favorites. All the AKs are, however.

I love the SA80's, they have the best foresight bit (white and black) .. When I play the brit medic gun feels like a precision thing, rather than the **** blunt one on the M16.

When using in CQB, either spray in full auto or headshot them whilst they hit you once in the torso. That's how to kill people in CQB, there are no in-betweens.

As mentioned deviation is the same in ALL guns. There is however a lot of difference in full auto when unscoped (as in CQB). The M16 full-auto variants are my personal favourite for full-mag spray, and the SA80 isn't far off. Just don't ever use the scope if you full auto and you'll be fine. If you're unscoped and you can;t kill them because the bullets miss you are not close enough and actually had time to scope in and use single shots.

FlatkinG wrote:g'day guys, iv been playing pr about several months after its 1st version came out and have seen a lot of changes and modifications, at present overall the game is pretty world class as far as gaming experience goes and is very well put together considering what the dev's have to work with.

just wanted to express my feedback about the British faction, most rifles on there except the sniper namely the SA80 seem to be a little too far under realistic as far as accuracy goes, seems to feel more like a paintball gun than the reputation that SA80 has produced irl, personally on a map like Al Basrah id prefer to try kill an insurgent, pickup and use his gun since it is able to be shot more accurately even without a scope, if u test it out a bit more you might find that you can out shoot any player that is holding a SA80 and even a light machine gun. RPK and PKM also out shoot everything the British have, to me this feels like a big flaw in design that should probably be looked into and be a bit closer to what the USMC or US army factions accuracy have, this is a problem that a lot of ppl i know find very demoralizing while playing the British faction.
i think what bugs me the most about this is that i play with military simulation in mind, and train my clan in military tactics so we will even attack in such ways as to leave the enemy out of effective range of a iron sight but be in effective range of our optics, but the fact is this doesn't work for British in particular at all!

i find everything about the US Army, USMC, Canadian, Taliban, Russian and Militia teams to be very good and want to congratulate them on making my gaming experience for this a good one.

Bomb trucks on the other hand are a little silly being bulletproofed but im sure balance comes into play there, but i hope balance doesnt get in the way of realism was the original goal of this game and what we are all playing it for.

at the end of the day everything else is too vast to talk about but is all good, so this concludes my feedback, cheers.

FlatkinG

I have the exact same problem with the L85 rifles. My experience with the optical rifle is that its very unreliable in my experience. I can't ever hit anything and I always sit in place to fire after several seconds so its not a movement deviation error on my part. Tell me if im wrong but even if the center of the red cross is right on my target I still miss unless the guy is out in the open plain as day. And for some reason, the enemy seems to be dead on target even over range with their non scoped AK's and whatnot, i hate it and can never do jack squat with the L85.

Worst rifle in the game as far as my experience goes though many of you seem to have praise for it, what are we doing wrong then?

One thing that I feel has less arguement is the L85 on Autofire. Even though all the rifles have the same deviation for some reason the L85 is extremely crappy on autofire. There is a huge bullet spread even when settled for several seconds or settled completely in place. Don't know why its so bad, even compared to the AK's which are MUCH more reliable in CQC, heck even the M16 family with its own flawed burstfire is better. Its so frustrating to have a encounter with the enemy and unless you have the complete drop on him where he isn't aware of you and doesn't fire back, you loose almost every time. L85 on autofire is just absolutely horrendous, if it was real life and I was a soldier firing that bad with the gun i'd be kicked off the battlefield and im not even joking. I've even missed a entire clip of a guy in front of me within several meters. What is up with that? Down right the worst CQC weapon in the game by far in my experience.

I'm currently doing deviation tweaking on some of the games rifles for CQC and high on my priority list to figure out whats going on and if its good maybe present a solution.

All the 5.56/5.45/5.8 rifles are exactly the same. You've just had some bad luck on Basrah or something and now you feel that the SA80 is somehow worse than say m16. The main differences are the sights, which are somewhat different, and also what's different is the rate of fire: SA80 has a little slower rate of fire than AR15 (I think), but it has a bit higher rate of fire than the AK-74 (again, not sure, but I think), while the AKS 74U has the highest rate of fire. Also, yes, the M16/m4 have the three round burst restriction, which is ****.

My favorite weapons are still the heavy battle rifles, G3 and FN FAL. From my experience, they're reliably single shot single kill weapons with great accuracy and great sights.

If you tried to do twitch-shooting; of course you will get inaccuracies (mousemovement actually does increase deviation).

To shoot at max accuracy; not only do you have to sit still, but you also have to keep your mouse stationary for a second.

I don't see where all these 'bad cqb' gun stories come from for the 5.56 family, since every gun has the same deviation, and the 5.56 (I believe) weapons have the same accuracy, because I've been able to use any rifle in-game to my advantage in cqb, usually winning the fight. I'd understand not hitting the target in cqb just hip firing, but using the sights gives no excuse, unless you were low on ammo. To me, I like the m16 more because I can squeeze off all 30 rounds from the mag in burst mode in less than 5 seconds, effectively putting more lead in the air with a chance to hit.

Deviation isn't the same as Spread, mate. Per-shot deviation and all that from what i'm aware of. Like how in vBF2 the PKM was brilliant at sniping but if you fired more than 3 shots it would go everywhere because of the per-shot multiplier.

If you play Gaza compare the IDF Tavor in full auto to the M16 Armalite on fulla-auto. The M16 fires faster and has far less spread, whereas the Tavor feels like a cannon.